Game content is full of mistakes...much worse than FFXIV 1.23

[Tupsi]

OP says ARR is worse than 1.23, game sales say ARR is more popular than 1.23.

I wonder who is right, the few who tried 1.X or the millions who tried 2.X?

I know nostalgia can blind people, but 1.X was a terrible game.

Btw, ARR only came about because they couldn't make some core changes unless they changed engines and decided to go the standard route - I know you didn't follow ARR's development, or else you would've known that. By the way, you appear to be playing as classes and obs that originated in 1.0 - 1.22 including one of the new classes that was set to be released in one of the first updates to 1.0.

I haven't watched it, but for MMOs that analogy doesn't work, people watch a movie once, but for MMOs it's not just sales, it's also subscriptions.

The active population of ARR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the active population of 1.X

Maplestory's numbers trumped even WoW's numbers - I guess MS is the best MMO to ever exist, huh?

[Otoha]

Shockingly, it's possible for popular stuff to be good and unpopular stuff to be bad.

EDIT: Not that I'm defending anything Michael Bay has done in the past decade, but that's still a really crappy comeback.

True, but still rare

[WizardShotTheFood]

True, but still rare

You're right. Which is why the original Star Wars, E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial, Jaws, and Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs were all terrible movies that everyone of any intelligence and taste considers to be terrible despite them being among the top ten movies of all time by domestic ticket sales.

[Otoha]

Don't forget people were too stubborn to return to 1.23. I've read countless stories of people who flat out refused to come back because they didn't believe the game was fixed at all

My take: There's more then just a 123123 rotation here. If you're only using 3 skills you aren't playing the game at all (or are too low level to even experience the meat and potatoes of the game. The way the game was designed it's mostly endgame oriented). Other then that I miss 1.23 too much, Mostly the community we had back then

It isn't the fact that you can do more than 123123, its that there's not much reason to do anything else. With endgame, every boss is practically immune to all debuffs; with every other bit of content, you hack and slash through everything so there's no reason to even care for stunning, slowing, or throwing any debuff on a mob for that matter.

[Alukah]

That analogy is perfect.

People will keep watching/paying for the hyped up flavor of the month media because everyone else does whether or not its actually anywhere close to a work of art.

Oh I guess I was under the misconception people actively played games because they enjoyed them.

Btw, ARR only came about because they couldn't make some core changes unless they changed engines and decided to go the standard route - I know you didn't follow ARR's development, or else you would've known that. By the way, you appear to be playing as classes and obs that originated in 1.0 - 1.22 including one of the new classes that was set to be released in one of the first updates to 1.0.

ARR only came out because 1.0 was a failure, something SE admitted.

About the classes, thank you Sherlock, I would never have guessed they used 1.0 as a base for 2.0.

Maplestory's numbers trumped even WoW's numbers - I guess MS is the best MMO to ever exist, huh?

If MS had an active population higher than WoW then don't you think, maybe, just maybe those people thought it was better?

Should I weight a game based on what you personally like or what seems to appeal a high amount of people?

[Otoha]

You're right. Which is why the original Star Wars, E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial, Jaws, and Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs were all terrible movies that everyone of any intelligence and taste considers to be terrible despite them being among the top ten movies of all time by domestic ticket sales.

Now throw up the list of the thousands of popular movies that are garbage.

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[Jorge6029]

Don't like the game? please leave

[WizardShotTheFood]

Now throw up the list of the thousands of popular movies that are garbage.

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So "number of people who bought tickets" is a bad way to measure popularity now?

[Colino]

Any "difficulty" 1.0 had was tied to the input lag and animation lock. Remove those and the fights would all be incredibly easy.

Now that's a lie and you know it. There was not much content in 1.0 but there were challenging and interesting fights.

Yes input lag was a problem but don't come and tell me none of it had any depth just because you think so.

[Tupsi]

Should I weight a game based on what you personally like or what seems to appeal a high amount of people?

This is what you did this topic.

ARR only came out because 1.0 was a failure, something SE admitted.

Because Wada wanted to beat out cataclysm, thus an unfinished game got pushed out. 1.23, as you keep mentioning, however was not 1.0 - And therefore ARR only came about because certain things they wanted to do they could not do on the engine 1.23 was still on. In the transition into 2.0 they also ended up throwing out a lot of depth the game did have, something other MMOs actually rarely paid attention to.