Tanks keep leaving the dungeon

[ispano]

And then he'll ask for harsher punishments, and people will just find a way to go around them, and he will ask for even harsher punishments, etc.

Of course.

But for the people wanting harsher punishments. You can not FORCE someone to do something they don't want to. You can't. Harsher punishments are just going to make them want to do it even less in the first place. This whole mentality reeks of certain people wanting other people to play their way or be punished otherwise.

[LetBloodline]

The main problem with increasing the punishment is that it won't do what you want. If you make it much harsher than the current one, people will either just stop queuing altogether, or afk til you kick them so they don't have to eat the penalty.

At least i know who i need to report for harassment.
I know that db will still be db, but i know ppl that do this that whould not do that if they have harsher penality. Thinking that tank will quit do the daily rulette is bs. Same as thinking that all tanks are db and same as thinking that all of them are nice ppl that need protection

[LetBloodline]

Of course.

But for the people wanting harsher punishments. You can not FORCE someone to do something they don't want to. You can't. Harsher punishments are just going to make them want to do it even less in the first place. This whole mentality reeks of certain people wanting other people to play their way or be punished otherwise.

Actwally is to ppl play the way intended. DR are not "i give you reward daily to do what you like do the most". They are there for "I give you reward daily to run one of those dungeons that is needed to other players, be them new players or ppl in need for books". So don't give me the whine "i play like i want, i want they to give me everything for nothing" that you are ridiculus. You don't want to do that dungeon? Good, don't queue for DR but select the ones you want to do and let the DF start. You want the prize to help ppl with eavery dungeon they may need? Eat that copperbell hard and don't whine, you are reworded to do it, you quit? you loose your daily reward. It seems fair to me

[GemGenie]

Honestly, the "daily routine" stuff in this game is also a real problem. Think of it that you are almost forced to do these dungeon everyday to cap the soldier, its getting real bored, and frustrated in the first place..... Then another problem is the effort vs reward imbalance.... Most of the time Brayflox can be finished with 10-13mins, and on the other hand, when you random into the Lost city, you almost certain you need at least 20mins, and with some jerks wearing SB items, and some even full AF with a ilvl55 sticks...

OK, I am fine with SE pulling out very harsh punishment. I will just grab 1, 2 fd and go straight into Brayflox, finish 3 runs in 35mins or so, and get 135 soldier, instead of wasting 35+mins in Lost City with 70 or even 0 soldier.... SE should think about adjusting rewards....

[Jamez82]

Yesterday I was doing HL roulette and got copperbell hm. The tank only had 3.2k hp and the other dps left right off, quickly replaced by another dps who did the same.

That tank proved gear isn't everything because we had a smooth run. I've had i95+ tanks who couldn't hold enmity as well as this guy did.

[ispano]

At least i know who i need to report for harassment.
I know that db will still be db, but i know ppl that do this that whould not do that if they have harsher penality. Thinking that tank will quit do the daily rulette is bs. Same as thinking that all tanks are db and same as thinking that all of them are nice ppl that need protection

You're right, they just wouldn't join at all so you'd be stuck waiting even longer. I honestly don't care either way how you feel about good or bad players. More punishment will make things worse for EVERYONE.

Actwally is to ppl play the way intended. DR are not "i give you reward daily to do what you like do the most". They are there for "I give you reward daily to run one of those dungeons that is needed to other players, be them new players or ppl in need for books". So don't give me the whine "i play like i want, i want they to give me everything for nothing" that you are ridiculus. You don't want to do that dungeon? Good, don't queue for DR but select the ones you want to do and let the DF start. You want the prize to help ppl with eavery dungeon they may need? Eat that copperbell hard and don't whine, you are reworded to do it, you quit? you loose your daily reward. It seems fair to me

I think you are missing something. I don't do something I don't want to do. I never said I queue for Low level roulette and leave if I don't like the dungeon. For the rest of this your post, refer to the response to your previous one. Trying to punish people harder will just make them stop doing the content completely, ie making your queue times even longer, or they will get more creative in avoiding the punishment.

The main thing you don't understand or are refusing to accept from all this. Harsher punishments will hurt YOU as well, even if you yourself never leave a dungeon early.

Forgot to add, harsher punishments won't change these people.

[Alcyon1]

And, as usual, someone is over-reacting and putting everybody as "I want everything now". Actually, my first answer about insta-deletion etc is really accurate. Actually, many trolls just disconnected for 10 minutes and could insta-requeue. Do you want to give them an 1 hours ban too ?

You're whining because someone has "only" a 30 minutes ban and, during that time, he can do something else ? Do you realise that, during your 20 minute queue, you can do something else too ? Do you realize that creating new rules for a few trolls isn't needed ? Do you realize the consequences for the play base, if your connection drops within the first few minutes ?

Seriously, I'm tired of people asking for a military police in a game. You lost some time, what a big deal !

[LetBloodline]

You lost some time, what a big deal !

Yes, everybody has 10+h a day to play, no one can connect just about 1h before raiding and if he don't get the help of a tank tank being db means no DR that day. Where's the big deal?

Stop thinking only to your benefit

[Zefiris]

Today I used sometimes the option "Join Party in Progress" in Duty Finder. In first time, healer had dropped because tank was new. In second time, all had quit except 1 dps. I looked at to gear (accessory for craft or mind) and I asked why all abandoned him. He said "All keep dying in first boss and then quit"...

Seems hard to know when the player leave for a good reason or not.

[technole]

Today I used sometimes the option "Join Party in Progress" in Duty Finder. In first time, healer had dropped because tank was new. In second time, all had quit except 1 dps. I looked at to gear (accessory for craft or mind) and I asked why all abandoned him. He said "All keep dying in first boss and then quit"...

Seems hard to know when the player leave for a good reason or not.

It is. You have people who have no tolerance for mistakes. Don't like the roll, or the gear they see on someone, etc.

Now I don't mind seeing one 1 accessory with other class attributes. That is usually someone trying to increase their ilvl for the dungeon requirement and a ring isn't going to determine if they live or die. When it goes beyond or higher is when it gets to scary territory. I've seen some scary gear even in Coil DF. Then again, gear doesn't tell if one is going to "good" either. Neither is HP for a tank as mentioned earlier.