Tanks keep leaving the dungeon

[Alcyon1]

The main problem with increasing the punishment is that it won't do what you want. If you make it much harsher than the current one, people will either just stop queuing altogether, or afk til you kick them so they don't have to eat the penalty.

And then he'll ask for harsher punishments, and people will just find a way to go around them, and he will ask for even harsher punishments, etc.

[ispano]

And then he'll ask for harsher punishments, and people will just find a way to go around them, and he will ask for even harsher punishments, etc.

Of course.

But for the people wanting harsher punishments. You can not FORCE someone to do something they don't want to. You can't. Harsher punishments are just going to make them want to do it even less in the first place. This whole mentality reeks of certain people wanting other people to play their way or be punished otherwise.

[LetBloodline]

Of course.

But for the people wanting harsher punishments. You can not FORCE someone to do something they don't want to. You can't. Harsher punishments are just going to make them want to do it even less in the first place. This whole mentality reeks of certain people wanting other people to play their way or be punished otherwise.

Actwally is to ppl play the way intended. DR are not "i give you reward daily to do what you like do the most". They are there for "I give you reward daily to run one of those dungeons that is needed to other players, be them new players or ppl in need for books". So don't give me the whine "i play like i want, i want they to give me everything for nothing" that you are ridiculus. You don't want to do that dungeon? Good, don't queue for DR but select the ones you want to do and let the DF start. You want the prize to help ppl with eavery dungeon they may need? Eat that copperbell hard and don't whine, you are reworded to do it, you quit? you loose your daily reward. It seems fair to me

[ispano]

At least i know who i need to report for harassment.
I know that db will still be db, but i know ppl that do this that whould not do that if they have harsher penality. Thinking that tank will quit do the daily rulette is bs. Same as thinking that all tanks are db and same as thinking that all of them are nice ppl that need protection

You're right, they just wouldn't join at all so you'd be stuck waiting even longer. I honestly don't care either way how you feel about good or bad players. More punishment will make things worse for EVERYONE.

Actwally is to ppl play the way intended. DR are not "i give you reward daily to do what you like do the most". They are there for "I give you reward daily to run one of those dungeons that is needed to other players, be them new players or ppl in need for books". So don't give me the whine "i play like i want, i want they to give me everything for nothing" that you are ridiculus. You don't want to do that dungeon? Good, don't queue for DR but select the ones you want to do and let the DF start. You want the prize to help ppl with eavery dungeon they may need? Eat that copperbell hard and don't whine, you are reworded to do it, you quit? you loose your daily reward. It seems fair to me

I think you are missing something. I don't do something I don't want to do. I never said I queue for Low level roulette and leave if I don't like the dungeon. For the rest of this your post, refer to the response to your previous one. Trying to punish people harder will just make them stop doing the content completely, ie making your queue times even longer, or they will get more creative in avoiding the punishment.

The main thing you don't understand or are refusing to accept from all this. Harsher punishments will hurt YOU as well, even if you yourself never leave a dungeon early.

Forgot to add, harsher punishments won't change these people.

[Wintersandman]

Actwally is to ppl play the way intended. DR are not "i give you reward daily to do what you like do the most". They are there for "I give you reward daily to run one of those dungeons that is needed to other players, be them new players or ppl in need for books". So don't give me the whine "i play like i want, i want they to give me everything for nothing" that you are ridiculus. You don't want to do that dungeon? Good, don't queue for DR but select the ones you want to do and let the DF start. You want the prize to help ppl with eavery dungeon they may need? Eat that copperbell hard and don't whine, you are reworded to do it, you quit? you loose your daily reward. It seems fair to me

Roulette is a pain sometimes and frankly I don't want to run xy dungeon again for the nth time. Maybe I am looking for an expert roulette but I am exhausted of doing Speed Runs or maybe I want to Bray speed run. I am unable to tolerate the same dungeon over and over again, so I will drop it right out the gate and that should be my right as a player. I have had healers drop on me, dps, etc. I have put up with crappy healers, crappy dps, crappy tanks. Me as a player should have the right to be able to choose which dungeon I want to and don't want to run. Yeah I can suck it up. But I have already sucked it up with all the crappy players and some dungeons I just am not in the mood for. So I don't see why people are crying about a tank dropping. A good healer can heal Toto-Rak just fine without having a tank, I know I have done it. Same with Cutter's Cry and many others.

I don't think the punishment should be changed. If you are so worried about people dropping then PF it and group up to do Roulettes. You say suck it up and complete it, well I say suck it up and find a new tank or move on.

[Azryol]

Me as a player should have the right to be able to choose which dungeon I want to and don't want to run... A good healer can heal Toto-Rak just fine without having a tank, I know I have done it. Same with Cutter's Cry and many others.

Unfortunately, you failed to mention that one cannot preform parties for low-level, main scenario, and trial roulettes. Therefore, the dungeons you have mentioned, Toto-rak and Cutter's Cry, are not something people can "group up to do Roulettes."
Secondly, just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean the person should do it. One has the right to flake out on one's job, but doesn't mean one should do it. There are repercussions for all actions; in the game and in real life. These repercussions are not to limit one's rights rather to limit how much of a jerk one can be.
In other words, we want people to stop being a jerk.

[Wintersandman]

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They don't have to do a roulette. If they need xyz dungeon then they can group up and queue for it. Problem solved.

People are complaining about this me me me attitude. But reality you guys are expressing the same.
-I have to wait because tank left.
-I had to post pone my animus because tank left.

I have also said it has happened to me. I have leveled dps to 50 and I can empathize with the long wait queues. But I suck it up because when I am rolling a dps I know it takes longer. You guys are blaming tanks when you can suck it up and level one. Your animus quests don't require roulettes, get your LS or FC to assist you. Shorter wait time and you know the tank.

Go ahead implement your harsher penalties and watch the wait times go longer. Because tanks won't want to do DF/roulettes and will just do PF or run with their LS/FC.

[Azure_dragon-]

I have both Tank classes and healers Lved to 50 and now i'm currently finishing up dps classes, all which are 15+-50 right now. Please, take your own advise and create dungeon runs with your FC/LS or suck it up when you get placed in dungeons you don't like. I'd much rather wait longer to do something knowing nobody is going to drop it just because "they don't feel like it."

[Puwarh]

They don't have to do a roulette. If they need xyz dungeon then they can group up and queue for it. Problem solved.

People are complaining about this me me me attitude. But reality you guys are expressing the same.
-I have to wait because tank left.
-I had to post pone my animus because tank left.

I have also said it has happened to me. I have leveled dps to 50 and I can empathize with the long wait queues. But I suck it up because when I am rolling a dps I know it takes longer. You guys are blaming tanks when you can suck it up and level one. Your animus quests don't require roulettes, get your LS or FC to assist you. Shorter wait time and you know the tank.

Go ahead implement your harsher penalties and watch the wait times go longer. Because tanks won't want to do DF/roulettes and will just do PF or run with their LS/FC.

Please do! and please run the dungeon you like with only your group or PF and leave the DF/DR alone and that will be a great help for the whole sever or whole data center! (since they will pick you from whole data center and group you to run the dungeon, if I remember correctly)

You said you wanna help people so you queue for DR? If you queue up for DR and leave because you don't like it, then, what you are doing is not helping, in fact, it's making thing even worse!

I DON'T CARE IF I HAVE TO WAIT LONGER FOR A TANK just once it's up we can complete it because if you leave like that it's the same or worse result!. And do tell me who is selfish between ones that did what they sign up to do and ones that leave because they don't want to.

I gonna play a tank and be a good tank when I played and gonna try my hardest not to s*it everyone around like that. May be there some circumstance that I have to leave but at least I will try to do the best I can