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    Fresh lv 50 Warrior need to sort things out. Please be kind and help

    Hi all experienced Warriors. I'm a BLM as main class and i've got to lv50 yesterday as second class WAR, still missing a lot of important equip (i'n in AF but wave axe and ilvl 70-80 VIT/STR accesorys, i put on what i have =P) and i'm starting to build equip

    1) I have paladin at 22 and pugilist still at 5, i'll get pug at 12 but not really sure if i need to bring those class that high (42 for mantra is painful, but 34 for awarness with pally seems way more stressful..). Are those really that needed?

    Well let's start with the problems i have with this class for now

    2) I have problems keep trak of all defence cooldowns. I play from PS4 so i don't have that much free slots in my hotbars and i'm not able to discern when to best use each cooldown. That's the way i decided to use. I made a macro with all defence cooldowns with no wait so each time i press it it use the first DCD ready. I know that i should manage those individually but i'm not able to so i need a backup plan. Next step i was thinking to improve this was maybe to split those CD on 2 macros but i'm not sure what's the bast way to do it. Maybe one for eat big hits and one for general purpose like bloodbath or so so i ask help organize those macros

    3) Next thing is... how i manage giant pulls? what CD should i pop in wich order, what skills i should use to hold aggro? I tried once with way too low HP since i miss every big equip and no plan so I died miserably. That was traumatizing, i was paniking popping cooldowns and spamming OP not being able to build wrath. So I realized that i need a plan and to know what i should do during big pulls so i'm here to ask that as well

    4) I know i'm making this really long but please bear with me. Burst phase and offensive cooldown. How to manage it? When to use berserk/unchained? Best rotation while i'm at it?

    5) Off tank duty. I put down defiance and start maim combo to keep up storm's path and storm's eye all the time so i'm doing only maim combos. I'm doing it right? Should i focus more on dps?

    6) Storm's path expected uptime. Should i keep it up all time? With my skill speed i can do only one butcher's blow rotation or do the second but let it wears off? More skill speed whould allow me to end it in time? Should i be concerned with it?

    7) And last thing is wrath (infuriate) management. It's better to use infuriate-unchained before pulls then go the usual way? Or should i use steel cyclone if more mobs? When i recharge infuriate in between fight, how should i use it? I'm using inner beast as soon as i have it usually and i'm in between a combo (maim one usually) so i feel that using it for one more inner beast in that moment is a waste. I feel it's a waste (unless needed for big damage incoming) even use it after IB wears off since for that time i've alredy built it a bit of wrath anyway. I'm guessing then that best way to use it is right after IB to activate a Unchained if ready or steel cyclone. I guessed right or i'm missing something?

    Tanks to every tank that it's kind enough to read all that and help me in some of my issues ^^
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    If it helps, Awareness is possibly the most useless skill in the Paladin defensive suite. I wouldn't worry about it.

    I didn't even know it could be cross-classed, honestly. o.O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    If it helps, Awareness is possibly the most useless skill in the Paladin defensive suite. I wouldn't worry about it.

    I didn't even know it could be cross-classed, honestly. o.O
    i really hated those 22 lvl as gladiator so i'm glad =o i heard it was fixed to no longher prevent crits from healers so i was warried it was needed again
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetBloodline View Post
    i really hated those 22 lvl as gladiator so i'm glad =o i heard it was fixed to no longher prevent crits from healers so i was warried it was needed again
    Nah. I only use it when I have absolutely nothing else to use. It's... not very good at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Nah. I only use it when I have absolutely nothing else to use. It's... not very good at all.
    You manage every DCD individually or use macros for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetBloodline View Post
    You manage every DCD individually or use macros for them?
    I play Paladin, not Warrior, though I do plan to level up Warrior. Awareness just doesn't seem worth cross classing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I play Paladin, not Warrior, though I do plan to level up Warrior. Awareness just doesn't seem worth cross classing.
    I know, i was refearring to point 2. You have each CD on different button and pop each one when you need that one or you have a macro with a set of them and you activate them always in the same order? How much of a difference is to activate the right cooldown instead of one other similar. Let's say Thrill of battle opposed to foresight or Vengeance. Let's say we are about to eat a big hit. Obviusly bloodbath will not help but if i pop one of those 3 it should not really make a difference worth the single CD managemnt or i'm underestimating things here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LetBloodline View Post
    I know, i was refearring to point 2. You have each CD on different button and pop each one when you need that one or you have a macro with a set of them and you activate them always in the same order? How much of a difference is to activate the right cooldown instead of one other similar. Let's say Thrill of battle opposed to foresight or Vengeance. Let's say we are about to eat a big hit. Obviusly bloodbath will not help but if i pop one of those 3 it should not really make a difference worth the single CD managemnt or i'm underestimating things here?
    Oh! Yes, I manage my cooldowns individually based on the situation I'm in: what I'm fighting, how much damage I'm taking, etc. If I see other people get hit and I know the healer is going to need to pay attention elsewhere, I can pop something like Sentinel to vastly reduce incoming damage to me and give them some breathing room. In general, I tend to save cooldowns for boss abilities that deal significant amounts of damage. On something like T1's boss (does more damage the longer you fight him) I save my biggest damage mitigators for late in the fight. In normal dungeons, I end up using them on huge trash mob pulls.

    From what I know about warrior, it seems like you have fewer defensive cd's at your disposal, so you should be careful about when you use them lest you get caught needing one and not have it available.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 07-07-2014 at 11:35 PM. Reason: Hate the 1000 character limit =_=

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    As long as your not multi-poping them, it isn't too bad to stack the War cooldowns into a macro.

    The only downside I can think of is that you may have them go to waste based on the situation. Thrill is great for buying healers an added 2 seconds of life support, something that vengeance could easily be wasted on. Thrill is also not something you would want holding you up when healers are stressed with raid healing and your expecting some down time with heals.

    It's just little things you will lose out on, nothing detrimental towards the majority of level 50 tanking content.

    Note: I'm assuming this is the case but Inner Beast should also not be apart of any macros.
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    Last edited by Codek; 07-07-2014 at 11:43 PM.
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    "Treat others as they treat you!" ...or something like that.

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    How much effectiveness i'm loosing not being able to put all those CD on button of pad and manage them in predetermined order by a macro in like 2 sets? Let's say "damage mitigation" (trhill of battle vengeance etc) and "general" (bloodbath, convalescence etc)? I tried but for now it's just too much information and buttons to learn to do it right. Maybe i'll start take some of those cooldowns off macro later but for now i'm just overwhelmed by all those cooldowns
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