Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Andrens]

Ramuh's spear is almost certainly going to be SS/Acc or Crit/SS. Neither of which is terrribly good.
Not going to be Crit/DET (HA), DET/Acc (Levi), Crit/Acc (Relic) or SS/DET (Sol).

If we apply this same thing to CT2 armors... then some gears will be filled with DET and hopefully surpass all those SS/ACC from soldiery gear
Hell, some of them may be even pre-coil bis.

[PArcher]

If we apply this same thing to CT2 armors... then some gears will be filled with DET and hopefully surpass all those SS/ACC from soldiery gear
Hell, some of them may be even pre-coil bis.

Well, its really only the Head and Body that can be considered IMO. i90 crafted belt is cheap to penta-meld and is better than anything (though T9 belt should be used just because), but if you don't want to do that the belt also has potential. Hands and Feet are out, the Sol is just a better pair (feet must be Crit/DET to be better, and that was Allagan, so yeah, not happening).

I feel body is going to be Acc/DET, Crit/Acc, Crit/DET (unlikely though) or SS/Crit. Hoping for one of the Acc options, not SS/Crit...as for the head, probably going to not have Acc, so SS/DET or Crit/SS, maybe Crit/DET (highly unlikely IMO). Belt isn't going to be Crit/DET nor SS/Acc, so SS/DET, SS/Crit, Crit/Acc or DET/Acc; still not better than my penta-belt, so I'm ignoring it. UGH, pants are a possible good grab too, IF they're DET/Acc or Crit/DET; I'm ignoring if its Crit/Acc, DET/SS I may or may not go for (if its High-SS/low-DET I will ignore, other way I may go for)

Now...a lot of this does change if CT gear is upgradable with Sands...which IMO is a possibility (they're giving us a lot of ways of getting sands...), but we'll know with the full patch notes on Monday if they do this or not.

[Sleigh]

Now...a lot of this does change if CT gear is upgradable with Sands...which IMO is a possibility (they're giving us a lot of ways of getting sands...), but we'll know with the full patch notes on Monday if they do this or not.

Impossible unless the patch notes purposefully omitted their entry, as there are no i110 armors introduced.

[PArcher]

Impossible unless the patch notes purposefully omitted their entry, as there are no i110 armors introduced.

Preliminary notes. No recipes, bug-fixes, price changes or anything that could get players to do something that will give them an advantage (buying mats or such). Which is why I'm hoping there are more job balance changes to come; we knew about BLM buffs and SMN getting something, and the stance changes don't affect anything.

They did slip on three items though...Mosshorn Earrings and Dodore Ring/Choker. Crafters who read the item list carefully found them and bought out any Dodore Wings/Leather and Mossy Horns they could already.

[rickyguo]

Well, its really only the Head and Body that can be considered IMO. i90 crafted belt is cheap to penta-meld and is better than anything (though T9 belt should be used just because), but if you don't want to do that the belt also has potential. Hands and Feet are out, the Sol is just a better pair (feet must be Crit/DET to be better, and that was Allagan, so yeah, not happening).

i90 pentamelded is still worse than the i110 high allagan but it does have accuracy. I think the helmet is the only possible competitor to i110 pieces as it's the only one where both i110 pieces have accuracy so it could potentially be bis for no accuracy sets. I don't think the body is capable of being better than the i110 sets. If it's accuracy/det, the 5 str difference would make it worse than the accuracy/skillspeed i110 soldiery piece. If it's crit/det, it would still lose due to the 5 str to the i110 high allagan. Even if the ct pants is det/crit, it's still worse than the astrum hose.

The only piece that could possibly be BIS is the helmet, and that's only for a no accuracy set.

[PArcher]

SNIP

Well, no, none of them will be BiS, especially if you are using the High Allagan Body/Legs BiS list (which you need Acc food to make work), since the HA Headgear is there moreso for the Acc on it and the decent secondary. Even in the Sol Body/Legs list, it would be hard to use any CT2 if you have full i110 due to Acc issues (using any CT2 non-acc gear means using Acc food).

No-Acc "BiS" yes, using no-acc gear is always better, but its hard to call it BiS since you only use it in old content and are overgearing for it...

My comments are more for that "in-between" phase...still trying to get clears, have no Sands to upgrade gear, really unlucky with drops, maybe not clearing Coil. None of the CT2 will be T9 Bis, just like no CT1 was BiS for T5.

There would have to be some really good secondaries for this to be BiS. A DET/Crit Body or Legs would be perfect until their HA drops in T8/9, for example, or even if they are DET/Acc. Same for the Head, though its as likely to go Crit/SS...


Also...someone did run the numbers, both properly penta-melded i90 Head and Belt are supposed to have more stat-weight than the HA or Sol+1, due to being completely capped with all stats (the Acc cap also frees up room on other gear for more DPS stats) But, it is expensive to penta-meld (especially now), and I will be switching to the HA belt if I ever get it.

[rickyguo]

both properly penta-melded i90 Head and Belt are supposed to have more stat-weight than the HA or Sol+1, due to being completely capped with all stats (the Acc cap also frees up room on other gear for more DPS stats) .

Head does, belt does not. This is only true because stat weights don't factor in accuracy and both HA and sol+1 head pieces have accuracy.

High allagan belt is 18 str 19 crit 9 det: 24.821
crafted caps at 13 str 16 crit 11det 16 skillspeed and 16 accuracy: 22.687 and 16 accuracy

It doesn't have more stat weights but you could argue that accuracy is valued by se the same as crit and skillspeed and that would make it 0.6 to 1.0~ better than high allagan if we factor in accuracy.

A bis list with properly penta melded gear would probably lead to different bis lists with quite a few more crafted pieces but I don't have a bis solver to solve for it.

On another hand, I'm 2 sands away from the 492 accuracy bis set and I can't decide if it's worth it to use 2 sands to trade 18 skillspeed for 7 crit and 6 det. Think that's a difference of 0.174 str.

[PArcher]

On another hand, I'm 2 sands away from the 492 accuracy bis set and I can't decide if it's worth it to use 2 sands to trade 18 skillspeed for 7 crit and 6 det. Think that's a difference of 0.174 str.

I would trade 18 SS for 7 Crit and 6 DET in a heartbeat. Not only is it more weight/damage (even if its not even 2 DPS) but in longer fights (looking at you T8) SS is just...not as good. I don't like to rely on BRD to keep DPSing, and want to minimize that dependence as much as possible.

[rickyguo]

I would trade 18 SS for 7 Crit and 6 DET in a heartbeat. Not only is it more weight/damage (even if its not even 2 DPS) but in longer fights (looking at you T8) SS is just...not as good. I don't like to rely on BRD to keep DPSing, and want to minimize that dependence as much as possible.

Think it's like 0.1 dps ROFL. It's 0.174 stat weight more out of a stat weight of like 850~, unless I did math wrong somewhere.

I mean if it's definitely an upgrade but it costs and 2 sands for 0.174 str seems a stretch but I guess it depends on the availability of sands in 2.3.

[Ihm]

I would trade 18 SS for 7 Crit and 6 DET in a heartbeat. Not only is it more weight/damage (even if its not even 2 DPS) but in longer fights (looking at you T8) SS is just...not as good. I don't like to rely on BRD to keep DPSing, and want to minimize that dependence as much as possible.

It's overtime that skill speed starts to have value though because it's at that point that you are actually getting in extra attacks.