Fake experienced people in coil 2?

[Xellos2099]

Maybe but getting 2 inexperience melee in a row on the same day can get annoying.

[DoctorPepper]

DoctorPepper: Well I agree to a certain extend but I do not have a static group either; why do you think I have to hit up the pf every week. Like i said l I see plenty of pug training group around, and always be honest about your experience.

While I agree that people should be honest about their experience, we must be on very different servers. I play pretty much on a nightly basis and haven't seen a coil 2 learning group for weeks now. I don't need a learning group personally but I can still see why people would lie about it from my point of view. Coil 2 is the end all be all of endgame right now, it has the hardest fights and the best loot, and if your options are to lie about experience or not experience it at all then I can't really blame people for lying, I do think they should at least watch a video once or twice before they do it though.

[Hayward]

Such are the consequences of shutting people out of content and asking for SE to make more unforgiving fights. People will only bang their heads against a wall so many times before they look for an easier way through.

[TeganLaron]

While I agree that people should be honest about their experience, we must be on very different servers. I play pretty much on a nightly basis and haven't seen a coil 2 learning group for weeks now. I don't need a learning group personally but I can still see why people would lie about it from my point of view.

Sorry but I don't think that's right at all. From sounds of OP's post the second melee who finally admitted they'd done some, but not all, of the fight before and the first sounded like they'd never done it at all. This is a multiplayer game and someone lying about knowing what they are doing when they don't just to "experience" the fight is just selfish and inconsiderate as you are wasting others time in hope of getting a free carry.

[Cigaran]

Thank the gods that you didn't have to stop and explain it. I'd have hated to see what happened if your group had to actually help people and be part of a community.

[WKMitchell]

I don't disagree with "Don't lie about experience". My point is we need to address the catch 22 of the situation or it will keep happening. It will also get worse as more people fall into the mindset of experienced people only.

To illustrate my point there was a news article recently about the rise in people lying on their resumes. The reason was found to be that companies aren't training people nearly as much any more they all just say 2+ years of experience required. But new people cant get that experience cause 95%+ of all jobs are requiring it.

So either we put up with people lying about having done content. Or we start intentionally not putting "must be experienced" in the PF and just talk to people. Hell you could quiz people even if they haven't done the fight yet watching a youtube guide should be enough to answer basic fight questions.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Thank the gods that you didn't have to stop and explain it. I'd have hated to see what happened if your group had to actually help people and be part of a community.

Oh, please.

If that one person says that he knows the fight, he has the win, he has the experience, why would you waste your time explaining something that he/she supposedly knows? What if the group doesn't want to explain stuff? If they set a PF asking for that criteria, then you should RESPECT that criteria. Either way, don't join. There're learning parties, if you don't know the fight, instead of lying, join one of them and learn. That's the purpose of the PF, to find a group according to your criteria. if you joined it, it's because you agreed to their conditions.

[Welsper59]

Hahaha I have to laugh at this a little, I understand your frustration but the fact is that pretty much Every PF for coil 2 wants "experienced people only" and you can't do this in DF for practice so people pretty much have two options, join a static or pretend to be experienced. A lot of people don't have time to commit to a static so this is what they have to do instead. Blame SE for not throwing this stuff in DF from the get go and for locking out people in statics who would probably help fc members get some practice if they weren't already locked out. Personally I don't agree with lying but the options here are very limited.

There is always the option of just waiting till it does get released to DF. If that alone causes someone to be bored enough to quit, then... do so. That's probably a wise choice, financially.

Everyone is always looking for the easy way to do things, be it content being handed to them with minimal effort or the fastest way to do something. If there are any sort of limitations or restrictions on this, it somehow becomes the biggest problem of their life. Just like you, I don't agree with lying, but I also don't agree with giving in to laziness in the most extreme of ways.

This is an MMORPG. Find people to do stuff with. If this person can't commit to a schedule, that's fine... just gotta look for people that are like them or find an FC that is sort of like that too. If they're impatient about waiting for it to hit DF, that's fine too. Start a group on the PF, it's not as hard as it might seem to do that, and really, it's an honest way of doing things before it hits DF. Lying about something on a video game like this, where people are relying on some degree of honesty, says more about the player than they'd probably appreciate. Maybe no one likes them enough that they have to lie to do things, they can't read, they're not a team player, they smell funny, etc.

[DoctorPepper]

I don't disagree with "Don't lie about experience". My point is we need to address the catch 22 of the situation or it will keep happening. It will also get worse as more people fall into the mindset of experienced people only.

This is pretty much what I'm saying as well, I don't think this would be a very big issue if it was possible for people to experience the content and practice it but on my server at least, there is not. Like I said it's been weeks since I've seen any coil 2 learning parties, this isn't a DF option, people pay/play to experience new content and the issue that's causing this is that there is almost no way to experience it unless you get lucky and happen to find the elusive learning parties or you join a static.

It's funny but since Levi Ex became available in duty finder the party finder groups I join that require exp seem to go a hell of a lot smoother than they used to when people had no other option.

There is always the option of just waiting till it does get released to DF. If that alone causes someone to be bored enough to quit, then... do so. That's probably a wise choice, financially.

I agree that is a viable option but patches only come once every 3-4 months and if this is anything like coil 1 it will take 2 patches and a set of new coil turns before this becomes available in DF. Do you really think people will wait 6-8 months and for the content to become nearly irrelevant before they try it? I don't think they will and I also don't think they should have to. Lockouts are a bad idea for this very reason, if the content wasn't locked the way it is then it could be easily added to duty finder, hell even if it was locked like CT it could be in the DF. I just can't bring myself to blame the people for lying about it when there is really no other option besides lying or not doing it at all.

[Eekiki]

A person can know every aspect of a fight even if they haven't cleared it yet. There comes a point where a person has learned everything there is to learn in a learning PT, and at that point I don't see a problem with joining a farm PT to get their first win as long as they don't consistently screw up. A win is a win, right?

Case in point:

They state that they're experienced and when we win the run, they earn the achievement. Granted, you probably forgot to explore the whole map before leaving by stepping on the platform holding the chests, and I'm aware that you might know the whole run, but you had bad luck with your pugs... but don't lie to me.

How did they lie? They said they were experienced, not that they've won. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who have cleared the fight, but were carried and still have no idea what to do.