Fake experienced people in coil 2?

[Xellos2099]

Last night I was doing my weekly routine of joining up pf group for coil 6-8. I joined one that stated that require prior win, np, I beat 6-8 in pug many times before. Party fill up, we decided on the mark move/super slug method, we went in and the melee who keep getting eaten/ cause other people getting eaten. After few more try, party leader decided to kick the person who keep getting eaten, who obviously never have the win before.

After that, we setup pf again and we got another melee that join up, we ask if eh clear before he said yeah. We went in again, things went relatively smoothly and we got to the point where we need to feed the second honey glaze and monk have it. He just stand there like not knowing he need to get eaten. Wipe of course but we see that as a mistake and try again. We got there again and we feed the honey; however, the monk, the only melee dps in the group doesn't lb the super slug and we wipe again.

At this point, it is clear the new monk we got never clear before and probably never seen the final phrase before. Leader kick again we we back to pf. Monk then somehow send me a tell saying he doesn't know that to do since he always wipe at the point where bee need to be burned and no idea what does feeding the honey mean.

I mean, gosh, if the pf saying be experienced and need prior win experience, please do so. There are still plenty of learning group for t6-8 everyday of the week. Before I got my win I am always honest with my experience. I recall my first t8 win I said to the leader, never win before, but seen allagan field. The leader say ok and I join the group and after getting some pointer from them we won at the end. Is it so hard to be honest about what you know to do? The monk i mention was not bad, but if he had mention he never won before we might have explain what he need to do and win instead of kicking him.

[Princess_Rosilee]

Lol..you'll get this a lot in end-game. A lot of people are hoping to get lucky and get a win or just to learn.
It's not a big deal. Everybody lies and what not. XD

[Exstal]

I think it's bad to lie about experience. That's grounds for kicking. Dishonest people shouldn't get any leeway.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Either they want to be carried or they're desperate to get in the current content. Sadly, the second Coil is not something you can do without proper practice, because if YOU make a mistake, you'll probably wipe the party. There might be exceptions. It happened to me that I set up T5 farm parties or it happens that I need to pug someone for the second Coil if we're missing a static member. They state that they're experienced and when we win the run, they earn the achievement. Granted, you probably forgot to explore the whole map before leaving by stepping on the platform holding the chests, and I'm aware that you might know the whole run, but you had bad luck with your pugs... but don't lie to me.

[NorthernLadMSP]

This doesn't have to do with Coil 2, but the other night someone set up a Levi EX weapon/mirror farming party stating prior wins required. I joined as I've beat him approxmiatly 40-45 times now.

So, the party fills up, and in comes a black mage. Well, we had just been discussing in party chat about the weapons we're still wanting to get. He chimes in and asks, "ooooh, what can a black mage get here?" We found out he had no idea of the fight, the loot, had never done it before, etc. So, he is removed. It's frustrating because it's a huge waste of everyone else's time. Then as soon as the party fills and someone leaves, you have to start over again by creating a new PF.

[WKMitchell]

Good chance this is happening more often do to the Catch 22 effect we are seeing in raids and the like in most games. You have to have done the raid to go on it. You start up a training party and people don't join cause they want the easy win. Or they do join but get frustrated that people are "Learning the fights" and leave quickly.

I always tell people if I haven't done something or it has been a long time (which is a lot since I just came back =p). There still needs to be a certain lee way for teaching people how to do stuff though.

Just a friendly reminder of the basic maxim "We all had to start somewhere." as well the fact that if you teach somebody now it is one more possible person to take tomorrow.

[DoctorPepper]

Hahaha I have to laugh at this a little, I understand your frustration but the fact is that pretty much Every PF for coil 2 wants "experienced people only" and you can't do this in DF for practice so people pretty much have two options, join a static or pretend to be experienced. A lot of people don't have time to commit to a static so this is what they have to do instead. Blame SE for not throwing this stuff in DF from the get go and for locking out people in statics who would probably help fc members get some practice if they weren't already locked out. Personally I don't agree with lying but the options here are very limited.

[NyneAlexander]

Just a friendly reminder of the basic maxim "We all had to start somewhere." as well the fact that if you teach somebody now it is one more possible person to take tomorrow.

Just cause we all had to start somewhere doesn't mean we all have to stay somewhere. I'm sorry, but if i've already spent multiple days banging my head against content, I don't want to relive that because someone wants to be dishonest about their experience and skirt through.

And yea, sometimes you do still win. I joined a "moogle ex farm pt" which required "prior wins" and we wiped a bunch. When we finally did win, cause moogle ex isn't rocket science (except maybe for the healers), 6 out of 8 people got the achievement.

SIX OUT OF EIGHT!

[Xellos2099]

That why I said, always be honest, and there can be some lee way. I want to link this to the argument of watching the youtube video guide. Like for example, if the Monk i mention earlier watch/read some guide, he would have expected honey glaze feed and melee lb super slug. I agree we all started somewhere, but I also don't like people lying about their experience either. I remember back in 2.2, I often build my own Ifrit extreme group and pf setup is clear require. If someone come up to me say they know what to do, I sometime made exception and give them a try to proof their worth.

DoctorPepper: Well I agree to a certain extend but I do not have a static group either; why do you think I have to hit up the pf every week. Like i said l I see plenty of pug training group around, and always be honest about your experience.

[TeganLaron]

Not really just on Second Coil, people lie about exp in pretty much everything. It's infuriating.