DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Zaero]

Parsers will lead to players getting kicked out of groups far more than to players being helped - even if said "help" is a simple "read a guide". Most people who want parsers do not want to help other players, they simply want a quick way to kick "underperformers" so they don't "waste time".

Precisely. It's so people can go "welp, we're going to fail this DPS check so I'm going to bail." Pros outweigh the cons huh? Can't wait for all PFs to be "X amount of DPS or your out!!!!!!" and people bailing on DFs.

Numbers do not equate to skill. Tested it on Titan Ex. He had higher DPS because he would manawall the landslides and fire extra spells. BUT, he often blew the timing and was out mid fight, where I wasn't.

[LetBloodline]

Numbers do not equate to skill. Tested it on Titan Ex. He had higher DPS because he would manawall the landslides and fire extra spells. BUT, he often blew the timing and was out mid fight, where I wasn't.

Even in worst case scenario, now we are even worse. "Animus weapon or more" for brayflox. Where exactly this is more accurate than "350+ dps"?

Plus if said BLM was out of fight his dps was NOT high at all

You whine and don't see that now we have all the cons anyway just we don't have the pros

[Atreides]

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The thing is most people that underperform don't even realize to what extend that is, more likely than not we're not only talking about 10-20% but a far higher gap even with equal gear.
If those people would realize that and see numbers to work with they could improve by themselves and actually work on their damage.
No one expects anyone to play perfectly moderate is already enough but some people get rightfully kicked because they just don't care about their performance at all and this is just as rude as the person kicking them because they're dragging down a whole group because said people don't take any advice either as they "play how they want" and don't care if they give others a headache.

[Viridiana]

Precisely. It's so people can go "welp, we're going to fail this DPS check so I'm going to bail." Pros outweigh the cons huh? Can't wait for all PFs to be "X amount of DPS or your out!!!!!!" and people bailing on DFs.

Numbers do not equate to skill. Tested it on Titan Ex. He had higher DPS because he would manawall the landslides and fire extra spells. BUT, he often blew the timing and was out mid fight, where I wasn't.

Wait, are you saying that he did higher DPS than you even though he was out for half the fight? Because that's sad (for you) if true. Also, how the heck do you mistime a 2 minute buff?

Also, I like how you ignore that, even at launch, it was "LFG AK, must have relic!" So, yeah, the level of stupid you're describing has been in game since about a week after launch, if not sooner.

ETA: Besides, at least "XXX DPS or kick" would be a valid metric. That actually makes it better than the current "ilvl 95 or gtfo" that we have, which is one of the most useless measurements we have.

[Ehayte]

Precisely. It's so people can go "welp, we're going to fail this DPS check so I'm going to bail." Pros outweigh the cons huh? Can't wait for all PFs to be "X amount of DPS or your out!!!!!!" and people bailing on DFs.

Numbers do not equate to skill. Tested it on Titan Ex. He had higher DPS because he would manawall the landslides and fire extra spells. BUT, he often blew the timing and was out mid fight, where I wasn't.

- Well, if you are definitely going to fail a DPS then that person is doing you a favor by leaving so no one wastes their time...
- If he did that, his DPS would not be as high as yours... did you seriously not think that through? Also that is anecdotal evidence that has nothing to do with proving anything one way or the other. If someone does more DPS than you and preforms mechanics as well as you do, they are better. Same goes for me, and everyone else.

Parsers will lead to players getting kicked out of groups far more than to players being helped - even if said "help" is a simple "read a guide". Most people who want parsers do not want to help other players, they simply want a quick way to kick "underperformers" so they don't "waste time".

- How the hell could you possible know that? Are you omnipotent? Can you read the thoughts of 1,000,000+ people simultaneously? That. Is. Amazing.
- The same mechanics are in play for Tanks and Healers currently. Do you think that a group of 7 experienced and competent players that are online specifically to get a clear should let a WHM stay in their group that can't heal enough to keep up the tanks under normal circumstances? Then why would they allow a DPS that can't do enough damage to kill the boss in time for the DPS checks to stay in? Its really not fair.

[Malric]

So let me recap it.
You choose rotation based on studies done with parser
You choose your BiS based on studies done with parser

I know it's easier to assume than it is to state anything that exists outside your own little mind but let me recap this for you:

I don't use parsers
I choose my rotations based on skill times, damage of skills, mana cost & cooldowns
(not a damn thing to do with parsers)
I've never studied a damn thing with a parser

In Aion it was like WoW, you couldn't get into a serious end game fight without someone in the party broadcasting a parser.

My improvements were based on upgrades to my gear and learning the fights
(once again nothing to do with the parsers)

[LetBloodline]

I know it's easier to assume than it is to state anything that exists outside your own little mind but let me recap this for you:

I don't use parsers
I choose my rotations based on skill times, damage of skills, mana cost & cooldowns
(not a damn thing to do with parsers)
I've never studied a damn thing with a parser

In Aion it was like WoW, you couldn't get into a serious end game fight without someone in the party broadcasting a parser.

My improvements were based on upgrades to my gear and learning the fights
(once again nothing to do with the parsers)

You've been playing this game over twice as long as I have and made less than 1/3 the progression I have...

Why hasn't your parser let you to greatness yet?

What is better for BLM equip? det? crit? spell speed? How do you choose?

after that
1) i don't brag to be king of world
2) i can't use a parser, i'm from ps4
3) i don't have much time to give to this game
4) i don't have a static of pro players uber word killing bragghing in the forum like you
5) i don't have a "talent" for gaming. I think of me as less then avarage gamer in terms of skills, attention, rectivness so i must study really well the fight and i do it but i'm sure i need more time than you to learn a fight
6) My internet sucks balls

If you are satisfied to be better then me how all this is releated to you being a elitist attention wore that say "i can do all i want without it so anyone have to do the same" and with you being worse of those that kick ppl for 200 dps?

Plus if a party member was leading the way with the parser you used it and if no one in your group had it you whoudn't be able to do the same. So your point is null

[Malric]

What is better for BLM equip? det? crit? spell speed? How do you choose?

after that
1) i don't brag to be king of world

I don't brag to be king of anything. There are MANY more experienced and more skilled players than myself.
(and I'm sure many that don't need parsers to do so)
I however do have the capacity to learn without a calculator, it's really not all that hard. LOOK at your skills, USE them!

When you reach end game gear, you don't have as many choices as you seem to think.
Maybe when you're in i90 or below crafted and you are dropping mad gil on material, but not really beyond that.
Much of the additional gear is an extreme farm so by the time you're sitting on enough choices to matter at this point it likely doesn't.

[LetBloodline]

I don't brag to be king of anything. There are MANY more experienced and more skilled players than myself.
(and I'm sure many that don't need parsers to do so)
I however do have the capacity to learn without a calculator, it's really not all that hard. LOOK at your skills, USE them!

When you reach end game gear, you don't have as many choices as you seem to think.
Maybe when you're in i90 or below crafted and you are dropping mad gil on material, but not really beyond that.
Much of the additional gear is an extreme farm so by the time you're sitting on enough choices to matter at this point it likely doesn't.

How the hell i'm supposed to know if i did better with cooldown in a certain point versus hope it for a flare? How can i esteem in fight if it's better to trow a schate or wait 1-2 seconds?
Those are not something that change a loss in a win. This is deire to study and improve even by a little. I can get the result or each run from a parser or theorycrafting numbers while i'm at work....

[Malric]

"i can do all i want without it so anyone have to do the same"

That is EXACTLY what DPS meters do!

They force the server to perform to standards they say or be kicked from groups.

So then everyone needs one to be able to group because YOU say they are needed!

When people start setting an amount of DPS for a fight, they're determining the gear people need as well.

OK for statics - Evil in DF

When they run DF and people trying to gear & learn are kicked from the groups that's good?

People join DF to learn & gear up and get kicked because of their freaking DPS? Where do they go now?

I don't give a crap about being better than anyone.
I give a crap about people using a calculator to say they are better than everyone else.

Like I said before, I don't care which of you all wants to be in fight club
Just remember the first rule of fight club

Leave the rest of the server that don't care about fight club out of it.