DPS meters and why they're necessary

[NintenPyjak64]

It was said several months back that the development team uses parsers to check the damage output of every class to make sure they stay balanced. Parsing is also required to tune boss fights. If they want a fight to be difficult then they need to know how much dps is possible and make the requirement not too far from it.

They're already in the game. We just don't have access to them.

Proof of LunarEmerald's post:


I imagine once they do release the API, apart from UI customization, Recount-like options will be simple enough because the image above (the debug tools), but then again I don't know crap about programming so I can only make wishful thoughts /tear

[Altena]

There are meters out there that are fairly accurate. As stated in the letter, these aren't discouraged (or encouraged for that matter, due to potential virus risks etc). As long as these third party tools aren't doing anything automated to your character (or stuff like speed hacks etc) then they won't slap you on the wrists for using them. Something that just reads the log and gives you a neat table at the end is perfectly fine. These already exist. No need to truly have an in-game one. It's just another bit of clutter on the in-game UI.

[RickmanUK]

12 Pages in....

Both Sides Have good and Bad Points.

Parsers WILL be Used against people. Maybe not when you see it, maybe not alll the Time.. But it Will Happen. It happens in ALL games that have them and when done can Cause people too leave, I KNOW it happens as it Happened with me in SWToR (Powertech Tank, Apparently not having 300+ DPS is a Bad thing for a Tank.... Although it could have been Bullshit from the GM as he was abit of a Douche).

Personal Parsers are Actually Useful. They SHOULD be available, They SHOULDN'T be used for a Requirement in fights though... And They WILL get used for it, People often want a Target too vent at if they "Lose" an encounter, Nothing SE can do about that regardless anyway. (They can make it easier too report things and/or make it possible too send Chat Logs.. But that would just mean these people who do this won't Talk at all in Party Chat... Or will use 3rd Party Chat options instead)

Hell i'd Personally want an In-game Voice Chat option for FC's Before A Group wide Parser... But then again "Your Arguement is invalid you don't do all the big Raids All the Time" (Seriously.. that is what i get from some of the people here, still some have good points but... Yeah.)

[Dyvid]

Personal DPS meter so players can optimize their rotations and stuff: Good.
Public DPS meter where other players can pick apart players performance: Bad.

[Zamii]

so long as strict dps checks exist in the game, people will always yell at others to increase their dps, parser or no parser, regardless of whos fault it truly is for failing a dps check.
actually having a parser available on the other hand lets those who are lacking in dps know they are lacking and not just think its the group making excuses.

also, personal parsers wont do a thing to help with harassment, people will just demand to know everyones personal dps on a particular encounter before joining a party, if you fail to comply, you wont be allowed in the group.

[ParadiseCircus]

also, personal parsers wont do a thing to help with harassment, people will just demand to know everyones personal dps on a particular encounter before joining a party, if you fail to comply, you wont be allowed in the group.

That's easily fixed by introducing policies which is one of the 1st steps SE will do if they ever introduce a parser, you really think that SE wants more harassment reports?

[Zamii]

That's easily fixed by introducing policies which is one of the 1st steps SE will do if they ever introduce a parser, you really think that SE wants more harassment reports?

you really think players will read a policy like that? seriously you expect us to believe your a developer with a mindset like that?

[ParadiseCircus]

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Clear evidence that you didn't read the whole thread, people already afraid of even write the word parser in the game, same thing could be applied to anyone requesting other players numbers, if you think this only involves a dev decision well I recommend you to go read a management book, it was a suggestion.

By the way the day I have to justify to randoms on the internet on what I do for a living, that day I'll review my life ^ ^, instead of creating arguments that attack my person try to do a bit of research.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that "add up the damage and divide by the time" was different from "add up the damage and divide by the time." Thank you for enlightening me.

Yeah, because all this discussion boils down to a simple idea.... I can't blame you thought I wish it were that simple.

[Yuki_Tokita]

I can conclude your request in the most dramatic answer possible:

No.

[Jim_Berry]

Will the dps meter really change the battle? No! The person playing the role has to change their play style. The dps meters will only cause people to NOT want to run certain content.

When you're in Party Finder and wonder why your dps spots can't fill, it's because the dps may be running only with certain people.

So, again... The meter will not change the battle.

So much stress is put on the DPS roles. Too much competition amongst each other when someone runs a dps-check program. It becomes a thing where a dps will get hit instead of moving simply because he want to stay at the top of the chart. As a BRD, I care less. This is why I run BRD with FC/LS/Friends. I'll tank or heal in pugs.