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    Momo_Sugitomo's Avatar
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    Momo Sugitomo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charisma View Post
    You need 5 minutes for a text guide, less if you are not a slow reader.
    Just dont watch Mr.Happy guides, they are 30 minutes long, while u could explain it easilly in 3 minutes.
    Yes, this was half a part of my point. If something can be explained in 3 minutes, compared to the 30 minutes of one video, why is it that no one takes the time to explain it in-game after two or three wipes occur.

    And to reiterate another of my thoughts: reading how to do something is very different from actually doing something. Even if you know what should be done, it's not the same as having it done. Having something explained at that moment so that changes to current actions can be done immediately is much more effective, I think.
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    Player Tiggy's Avatar
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    Tiggy Te'al
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momo_Sugitomo View Post
    Yes, this was half a part of my point. If something can be explained in 3 minutes, compared to the 30 minutes of one video, why is it that no one takes the time to explain it in-game after two or three wipes occur.
    Actually seeing how a move looks as opposed to just hearing about it will improve the rate of learning. I would think that much is obvious.

    Hearing how a movie ends and watching it are two very different things after all.
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    Dar'kai Krauser
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eekiki View Post
    Players that have tried the fight and wiped a bunch of times will always be better than first timers who've watched a Mr. Happy video.

    I do wish SE would get his YouTube account shut down. His guides are awful and they breed bad players.

    Let me offer a purely neutral perspective. I agree that the whole trail and error approach is allot of fun (for me at least). I would love to be able to do that for every duty/trail fight that comes out. But let's say that you are going into a fight that you know like the back of your hand and you are doing it purely for the rewards that comes with fighting it for the 1,000th time. Your party then winds up with a player that wants to trial and error it. Do you and the rest of the group...

    A) Just go with it and eat the wipes so that other(s) have a chance to learn on their own?

    B) Insist that that the new player or players be given instructions so they know whats coming since they joined the party and said "I am new to this"?

    C) Tell the player(s) to "do their homework" and watch a Mr. Happy video or other video guide? (<---Some people call this cheating. I call it a simple manual to learning the fight sooner. Doesn't mean you have master the duty/trial.)


    To put it simply, none of these answers are "wrong." But there is one very extremely important word that must be remembered regardless of which choice is picked:

    CONSENSUS!!!



    Without consensus, there will be arguing/rage quitting/bridges burned/devil worshiping. I always go into a duty/trial knowing that I am one vote among many and that like every party it will always fail if consensus isn't met.
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    Mafra Telli
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    It is because the vast majority of gamers are cry babies. These gamers learned well over a decade ago that if you cry enough, you will get your way. Especially when it comes to SE who will nerf anything you wish if you find it too difficult. So when you match cry babies with a company bending to their every whim...this is the kind of gamers you end up with. Sadly, there are more of them than you.

    Every single person who says you should learn how to do a fight before ever entering the fight is one of those cry babies. They'll deny it. They'll refuse. They'll try to flip it back on you somehow to convince themselves they aren't cry babies. But they are cry babies, and they are why video games are so insanely easy. And when they arent easy, they'll make such a stink that the company will make them easy just to stop them from crying. Look no further than XI.
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    K'aad Quik'of
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 80
    I for one go in blind, the instant i see a PF or whatever telling me to "watch a video"- NOPE, i for one pick up faster in game than a video so yippers on my own part.

    I for one hate learning parties saying to watch a video before hand i mean really? that's a semi learning cause you're going with some knowledge right?.

    so kudos to you OP i like your playing style.
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    Last edited by Kuskoo; 07-03-2014 at 07:57 AM.