Younoob Tutorials.

[Nero]

I guess I must be one of the bads. Because besides Garuda, I have never beaten any endgame content my first try even after watching every video I could find and reading any information available. I have had to practice everything many times before beating it.

I know right.

But yeah, let the people stay with their delusional assumption that watching a video means that people can win more/faster, than someone who does "learning by doing". xD

[ShinkuTachi]

I know right.

But yeah, let the people stay with their delusional assumption that watching a video means that people can win more/faster, than someone who does "learning by doing". xD

Agreed!

Watching a video is good for nothing more than preparation and giving a player an idea of what to expect in a fight. That's really it. It certainly does not replace the hands-on experience you obtain through actually practicing, doing the fight, and group dynamic.


But for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

[Moheeheeko]

I guess I must be one of the bads. Because besides Garuda, I have never beaten any endgame content my first try even after watching every video I could find and reading any information available. I have had to practice everything many times before beating it.

I hear ya, months and months and im STILL stuck on t6.
Then again that could be from other factors but im usually very self critical >_>

[Nel_Celestine]

Last time I checked, Youtube Tutorials we not connected to the game itself as in plays them before loading the dungeon. So my guess is that no, they are not required. They can be helpful and that's a good thing. But I've been finding it all to often that players have been expecting everyone to watch several guides and be fully experienced on fights anywhere from 3hr to a day after they are released. That's rather unacceptable that there is such a small 'grace' period for actually playing and learning the fight with the community before the negative wall of 'perfection or GTFO' is dropped.

[Zantetsuken]

After all, FFXIV is a monthly subscription to play. It's free to watch on youtube, but I'm payed up through June - I'll play.

You watch battles on youtube, mimic it perfectly in-game, and are rewarded with gear that does nothing but allow you to repeat the same process with another battle and another youtube video.

wash, rinse, repeat...

Considering that the content is scripted and predictable, and the rewards are mere unlocks for more scripted and predictable content, you can experience 99% of the game in YouTube for free.

Under the current game design, SE should really ban all ARR YouTube videos -- if just to make the monthly subscription actually provide value.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

IMO: People are just misunderstanding the multiple purpose of the video tutorials. Watching a video helps you to know the mechanics involved in the battle. It doesn't make you win, it makes things easier to understand and learn. You can manage the strat with your party as you please, but you know what's going to happen when the boss reaches, for example, 50% of his HP or what X mechanic does if you do Y or Z. If there's a party asking for people to watch a video first and you don't want to, then don't join them.

I DID watch a lot of video tutorials for T9. I also watched win videos, practice videos, I read about their mechanics and strats. Sadly, my static doesn't have much time for practice, and having people that knows the whole thing or its mechanics help with the whole process. I encourage my group to watch a video. It's not mandatory but it's really useful.

[Clavaat]

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Honestly, this is how I handle it with my group. We understand that knowing the fight is not the end-all be-all. There are random mechanics that can affect one or several members: T5 conflags, T6 honey and thorns, etc. You can understand what that mechanic is, and how it works, but executing it is a whole different monster.

That being said... I totally respect that other people do not want to do it that way. I like going in blind to the new 4-man dungeons and learning as we go along. I can see why people would like to do that with the big ones. There's an important understanding you all should be having:

1. Players who like to research beforehand are not all hardcore elitist. Often, they just want to feel prepared, or like being able to delegate roles beforehand.
2. Players who do not like to research beforehand are not all casual noobs. They just want to experience the fight firsthand, and adapt from what they learn, not what another player has told them.

I think most people are right in the middle-ground. They either prefer one or the other, but don't really expect it from other players. I could be wrong in this assumption, but that's what I've noticed. I research as we progress through SCoB, but I also write up my own guides, that specifically lay out what we did at each part, how we handled it, regardless of what a video or guide has told us. You have to find what works for you and yours.

Whoa whoa whoa. Calm yourself now. He's doing nothing wrong, and his guides are perfectly fine. Don't know where the hell you're getting that from.

His guides are pretty bad, honestly. He continually treats the way he handles fights as the right way. More often than not, his group Brute Forces their way through fights, and that only really works if you are completely up to date on gear all the time. Not to mention, he doesn't update previous guides, so the information gets out of date quickly. I don't follow any specific player for information, I cross-reference a few to get a good idea of what is happening.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

The way it works is reasonable when you're trying to do endgame content. For example, if you try to do things like T5 or the second Coil (specially turn 9), watching a video helps a lot. Why? because there're not "simple mechanics" were "simple instructions" just don't exist. There're a lot of things going on and you have to pay attention most of the time. You have to be a bit realistic here: Not everybody want to spare their time teaching you something you can learn all by yourself. If we live in a "perfect happy world", threads like this wouldn't exist, because people will gladly help you to learn the content instead of watching a video. Sadly, we won't change anything.

The whole rant is meaningless, because, in the end, you can use the PF and ask for a learning party where watching a video is totally optional... and there'll be people asking for the opposite. You can see that by yourself reading this thread. No one will change their mindset because some people don't like to watch a video... or, again, the opposite.

[Traek]

Not sure why this always comes up as a subject. If you don't want to watch videos, go make a PF of like minded individuals, and learn the fight together through experience. It is also very beneficial to join an FC or LS with like minded individuals who will do content with you on a consistent basis, so that you can make progress.

If you don't want people who have no idea of the fight or haven't watched a video, then also make a PF for like minded individuals. Also, joining an FC or LS with like minded individuals to raid with on a consistent basis is very beneficial to making consistent progress.

If you join a DF, you are flipping a coin. Don't expect anything from either side, there are jerks and terribads on both side of the camp, as well as competent helpful people on both sides.

How about both sides give some mutual respect and take steps to both not go in over your head, and not be a condescending dick bag. It'll go a long way to improve relations in this game. Also, just because one douche might have been a douche, doesn't mean the whole community is, and they are very easily blacklisted and ignored. Please exercise this right!

[Ehayte]

Are those people not watching YouTube videos also refusing to take any advice from other players?

i.e.

Player_01 >> OK, so in this next phase here, Mob_01 is going to . . .
Non-video_watcher >> STOP TYPING RIGHT NOW OR I AM GOING TO SCREAM!!!

Having someone explain the fight to you is about equivocal to watching a video, except for the fact that it is actively using someone else's time, where is watching a video only uses your time.

If that's the case, all the more power to you. If I thought it was realistic for me to efficiently learn-by-doing in all fights, I totally would do it. I really don't have the time to do that though, and I respect the time of the other people doing the fights that have already learned or had the fight explained to them enough to watch a video so that Mr Happy or whomever else can explain the basic principals to me.