Younoob Tutorials.

[radioactive_lego]

Greetings,
Recently, just before a mass bail-out on a high level raid/dungeon (after back to back wipes) I got cussed at, and told to "Watch the youtube video"; a tutorial on how to successfully complete the fight.

No thank you.

I understand that some folks desire to quickly dispatch end-game bosses. And for this, seasoned, experienced teammates who "know the fight" are preferable. However; there are many solid, knowledgeable, players who want to have their experiences IN GAME, and not second hand from Mr. Happy.

If you feel like these players are "wasting your time" by battle trial and error/not watching the youtube tutorial, I certainly appreciate your plight. I would also appreciate understanding, and cooperation with those who would rather learn the fight for themselves, and not waste time watching youtube.

After all, FFXIV is a monthly subscription to play. It's free to watch on youtube, but I'm payed up through June - I'll play.

Regards,
RL

[meJojo]

Maybe go in with 7 people who have the same mindset as you, then?

[Tiggy]

Use party finder to find 7 other people that want to learn the fight the same way you do. Entering a battle with 7 other people who don't have that mind set means you're the one being uncooperative with the whole. Making 7 other people who are all already aware of the strategy sit there and fail over and over with you because you refuse to try and understand the strategy is rude on your part. They did their homework. They want to make progress and not watch you make mistakes that could easily have been avoided. Consider for a second that most of them probably already tried the fight a few times and you are clearly just now doing it for the first time. You're literally wasting their time by forcing them to watch you wipe.

Party finder makes it very easy to do what you want as you want it. Do not join other groups and expect them to play your way.

[Eekiki]

Players that have tried the fight and wiped a bunch of times will always be better than first timers who've watched a Mr. Happy video.

I do wish SE would get his YouTube account shut down. His guides are awful and they breed bad players.

[Momo_Sugitomo]

OP, I feel the same.

I also feel that if you're not in a party where each party member was selected because of their experience and knowledge in said instance, you should not cuss/insult another member before rage-quitting the party.

Is it so hard to be polite when quitting a party that wipes over and over again? I understand the frustration, but frustration is not an excuse for being a jerkface. Example: I was new to tanking Copperbell HM, but I knew most of the mechanics from DPSing and healing the instance. Many runs before, I was told by the rest of my party that the rock-bunny ignores aggro list and does whatever he wants, and so I did not hold aggro and we wiped. My healer for that run was frustrated with me and was a little curt with his/her wording, but did not rage-quit, insult me or tell me that I should know everything before attempting anything; instead my healer (though in capslock) told me to hold aggro because, while rock-bunny still does whatever he wants, the rock-bunny will flip the ground towards whoever has aggro on him.

Not everyone enjoys watching walkthrough videos or can apply what they learn from it to actual play. Instead of being a jerkface, please give a tip or suggestion that can be used at that minute; don't give a suggestion that would take 20 minutes and no actual experience.

/2gil.

[Kallera]

Why are we paying a monthly subscription, yet are supposed to play for other people that are neither sociable nor patient? I don't play a game for the sake of its NPCs.

[Charisma]

OP, I feel the same.

I also feel that if you're not in a party where each party member was selected because of their experience and knowledge in said instance, you should not cuss/insult another member before rage-quitting the party.

Is it so hard to be polite when quitting a party that wipes over and over again? I understand the frustration, but frustration is not an excuse for being a jerkface. Example: I was new to tanking Copperbell HM, but I knew most of the mechanics from DPSing and healing the instance. Many runs before, I was told by the rest of my party that the rock-bunny ignores aggro list and does whatever he wants, and so I did not hold aggro and we wiped. My healer for that run was frustrated with me and was a little curt with his/her wording, but did not rage-quit, insult me or tell me that I should know everything before attempting anything; instead my healer (though in capslock) told me to hold aggro because, while rock-bunny still does whatever he wants, the rock-bunny will flip the ground towards whoever has aggro on him.

Not everyone enjoys watching walkthrough videos or can apply what they learn from it to actual play. Instead of being a jerkface, please give a tip or suggestion that can be used at that minute; don't give a suggestion that would take 20 minutes and no actual experience.

/2gil.

You need 5 minutes for a text guide, less if you are not a slow reader.
Just dont watch Mr.Happy guides, they are 30 minutes long, while u could explain it easilly in 3 minutes.

[Momo_Sugitomo]

You need 5 minutes for a text guide, less if you are not a slow reader.
Just dont watch Mr.Happy guides, they are 30 minutes long, while u could explain it easilly in 3 minutes.

Yes, this was half a part of my point. If something can be explained in 3 minutes, compared to the 30 minutes of one video, why is it that no one takes the time to explain it in-game after two or three wipes occur.

And to reiterate another of my thoughts: reading how to do something is very different from actually doing something. Even if you know what should be done, it's not the same as having it done. Having something explained at that moment so that changes to current actions can be done immediately is much more effective, I think.

[Fated]

Big difference between watching a video and knowing a fight. No one can get through a fight without firsthand experience, NO ONE. However, at least the video will give you some insights and quicken the learning pace. Going in totally blind means you're content with wasting other people's time for no valid reason.

[Tiggy]

Yes, this was half a part of my point. If something can be explained in 3 minutes, compared to the 30 minutes of one video, why is it that no one takes the time to explain it in-game after two or three wipes occur.

Actually seeing how a move looks as opposed to just hearing about it will improve the rate of learning. I would think that much is obvious.

Hearing how a movie ends and watching it are two very different things after all.