Support Yoshi-P's efforts to bring XIV to as many platforms as possible. :)

[Nicobo]

so more patches can be delayed? no thanks we already had delays due to ps4 and and china releases.

TBH I don't support the idea for as many platforms as possible, too.
IMO more platform = binding to the lowest platform.
I concern about China release as well, as I have heard many negative comment regarding the discipline of those game agents.

[Edli]

Cross platform will never really be something MS is going to invest in (based on my opinion from when I worked for MS) because they want it all for themselves. They don't want to share. They don't want to play nice.

Everything that's being happening lately with X1 proves you wrong though. Since the day X1 was revealed MS has done nothing else but backpedaling because of peoples complaints. Drop policy on used games, drop always online, drop kinect, drop live gold for third party apps. On all of those they originally stated they would not negotiate but they ended up doing just that because of the complaints.

So yeah, what they actually do is a bit different from what you assume they would do.

[Ikeda]

So in summary a whole bunch of your opinion of why you think one is better. I'm referring to the idea of "inferior" which implies that X1 can't do what PS4 can, but that's not true at all. What's closer to the truth is that PS4 does easier, then what X1 does. PS4 is clearly more developer friendly this round then the X1.

I do agree with the policy issues at Microsoft, and if they want to stay competitive they will need to step up their game so to speak.

But regarding to specs of the systems. XIV has been setup in a very scalable architecture, so we really won't see any hardware limitations for some time to come, what we will see a lot of is development taxation which can be offset with higher subscription numbers.

The xbone does have inferior hardware. One look at the specs of both consoles shows the fact plain as day. Think of it this way. The PS4 is essentially a low to slightly medium spec PC of today. The xbone is a slower, less powerful version of that with extra hardware issues (ESram's been giving developers problems and until recently 10% of the already weaker GPU was reserved for the useless kinect) and unfriendly policies.

The game's already being held back by hardware limitations simply for being on consoles at all. Whether it be the ridiculously small world size, graphics and animations being dumbed down compared to 1.0, or the oversimplified game mechanics.

As for subscription numbers, as long as this game continues down the current path of FFXIV (WoW copy/paste edition) mediocrity you shouldn't expect much (or any for that matter) higher subscription numbers any time soon. We don't even know how many active subscriptions the game really has right now. "Over 2 million registered users" is likely half (if even that) active subscriptions while the rest is padded numbers from people who quit and RMTs that get banned and keep re-buying the game. Those numbers are only going to get even more padded when the chinese version releases.

Everything that's being happening lately with X1 proves you wrong though. Since the day X1 was revealed MS has done nothing else but backpedaling because of peoples complaints. Drop policy on used games, drop always online, drop kinect, drop live gold for third party apps. On all of those they originally stated they would not negotiate but they ended up doing just that because of the complaints.

So yeah, what they actually do is a bit different from what you assume they would do.

They didn't backpedal because of people's complaints. They backpedaled because they saw their pre-order numbers (or lack there-of) and their wallets screamed bloody murder, then they saw their dwindling sales numbers after release and had to finally take the axe to that useless kinect. Don't be fooled by PR speak. If they were truly listening to people's complaints you'd suddenly start seeing Rare releasing the sort of games they used to make for Nintendo instead of useless kinect games.

[Edli]

They didn't backpedal because of people's complaints. They backpedaled because they saw their pre-order numbers (or lack there-of) and their wallets screamed bloody murder. Don't be fooled by PR speak.

What's the difference? Yes people that complain will most likely then not stop being your consumers. It's the same thing worded differently. Is not just PR speak, they took action.

Of course they are after our wallets, like every other company in the world.

[Ikeda]

What's the difference? Yes people that complain will most likely then not stop being your consumers. It's the same thing worded differently. Is not just PR speak, they took action.

Of course they are after our wallets, like every other company in the world.

Because when you say it your way it sounds like they're making changes out of "the goodness of their hearts" for the sake of having happy customers, when the reality is they did it out of a desperate attempt to make their wallets stop crying after how badly they screwed everything up after seemingly trying to emulate every stereotypically evil corporation you see in movies and thinking they'd get away with it.

[Edli]

Because when you say it your way it sounds like they're making changes out of "the goodness of their hearts"

No company ever does a change out of the goodness of their hearts. It's naive to think that way. Companies do not have hearts, they have shareholders. You think Sony did what they did out of the goodness of their heart? No, it was to get ahead of competition and sell more consoles. Plain and simple.

[Ikeda]

No company ever does a change out of the goodness of their hearts. It's naive to think that way. Companies do not have hearts, they have shareholders. You think Sony did what they did out of the goodness of their heart? No, it was to get ahead of competition and sell more consoles. Plain and simple.

Never said Sony did. But Sony did have the superior console. It's too late for MS to change that. Even after removing the kinect they're still asking you to buy a weaker console for the same price as the PS4. MS can make all the changes they want but they'll never be able to fully repair the damage they did to themselves. At least not until the next console generation. If people will even give them that chance.

[Edli]

Never said Sony did. But Sony did have the superior console. It's too late for MS to change that. Even after removing the kinect they're still asking you to buy a weaker console for the same price as the PS4.

I do not disagree with that. I just replied to a comment saying MS will not change their mind when it comes to cross play only because people will complain. I brought up a few examples where they did actually change their mind. They're in panic mode now so they will try to do whatever people ask them for. That feedback xbox thingie with people voting for features, I don't see other companies having that.

That said I don't care really. I play on PC only and all I see with these new platforms is more manpower wasted on things that have no impact on me. For SE this is business though so more platforms, more customers.

[Gilraen]

Personally I haven't bought either console (PS4 or XBone) because neither has shown any games that have released that I've wanted (and like hell I'll buy an XBone). I do play on the PS3, though, as well as the PC (but barely) and haven't seen any reason to stop playing on the PS3. Really, there's nothing about the PC version that entices me. You may consider consoles wasted manpower but I appreciate that they kept their word on a console release, even though it was a promise made during 1.0 by Tanaka. That speaks alot more to me than specs.

[Ikeda]

For SE this is business though so more platforms, more customers.

More platforms doesn't guarantee more customers. Or at least doesn't guarantee a increase in customers large enough to be worth the cost and effort of the port. For example, do you think the xbone release of ESO is going to increase its dwindling subscription numbers much? ESO may be a buggy mess but outside of the bugs it suffers from alot of the same problems ARR suffers from (too solo-centric and easy, too similar to WoW etc.). I honestly can't imagine many people that would buy ESO or ARR for the xbone. Whether it be because of the required xbox live (even if you'd be paying for xbox live anyways PS4 is the superior console and PS+ is cheaper) or because the game will run better on PS4 or PC.

You may consider consoles wasted manpower but I appreciate that they kept their word on a console release, even though it was a promise made during 1.0 by Tanaka. That speaks alot more to me than specs.

The problem is the PS3 can barely run the game and they had to dumb the entire game down specifically to get it running on PS3. If they'd of kept it PC exclusive or at least skipped the PS3 straight to PS4 it may of had less subs but the quality of the game and content would likely be much better than it is right now.