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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeda View Post
    The xbone has inferior hardware. Mainly it has slower ram and a weaker graphics card. Between the inferior hardware, having to get around microsoft's annoying policies (which includes having to get every update through some sort of checklist of microsoft's which tends to slow down updates), and the fact that people would be forced to pay for xbox live on top of the game's monthly fee just to play the game (you don't have to pay for PS+ to play mmos on the PS4 but you do for the xbone) it would just be a waste of resources. Also technically the PS4 and xbone would both limit the game since they're just low spec PCs at this point.
    So in summary a whole bunch of your opinion of why you think one is better. I'm referring to the idea of "inferior" which implies that X1 can't do what PS4 can, but that's not true at all. What's closer to the truth is that PS4 does easier, then what X1 does. PS4 is clearly more developer friendly this round then the X1.

    I do agree with the policy issues at Microsoft, and if they want to stay competitive they will need to step up their game so to speak.

    But regarding to specs of the systems. XIV has been setup in a very scalable architecture, so we really won't see any hardware limitations for some time to come, what we will see a lot of is development taxation which can be offset with higher subscription numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmontyb View Post
    So in summary a whole bunch of your opinion of why you think one is better. I'm referring to the idea of "inferior" which implies that X1 can't do what PS4 can, but that's not true at all. What's closer to the truth is that PS4 does easier, then what X1 does. PS4 is clearly more developer friendly this round then the X1.

    I do agree with the policy issues at Microsoft, and if they want to stay competitive they will need to step up their game so to speak.

    But regarding to specs of the systems. XIV has been setup in a very scalable architecture, so we really won't see any hardware limitations for some time to come, what we will see a lot of is development taxation which can be offset with higher subscription numbers.
    The xbone does have inferior hardware. One look at the specs of both consoles shows the fact plain as day. Think of it this way. The PS4 is essentially a low to slightly medium spec PC of today. The xbone is a slower, less powerful version of that with extra hardware issues (ESram's been giving developers problems and until recently 10% of the already weaker GPU was reserved for the useless kinect) and unfriendly policies.

    The game's already being held back by hardware limitations simply for being on consoles at all. Whether it be the ridiculously small world size, graphics and animations being dumbed down compared to 1.0, or the oversimplified game mechanics.

    As for subscription numbers, as long as this game continues down the current path of FFXIV (WoW copy/paste edition) mediocrity you shouldn't expect much (or any for that matter) higher subscription numbers any time soon. We don't even know how many active subscriptions the game really has right now. "Over 2 million registered users" is likely half (if even that) active subscriptions while the rest is padded numbers from people who quit and RMTs that get banned and keep re-buying the game. Those numbers are only going to get even more padded when the chinese version releases.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edli View Post
    Everything that's being happening lately with X1 proves you wrong though. Since the day X1 was revealed MS has done nothing else but backpedaling because of peoples complaints. Drop policy on used games, drop always online, drop kinect, drop live gold for third party apps. On all of those they originally stated they would not negotiate but they ended up doing just that because of the complaints.

    So yeah, what they actually do is a bit different from what you assume they would do.
    They didn't backpedal because of people's complaints. They backpedaled because they saw their pre-order numbers (or lack there-of) and their wallets screamed bloody murder, then they saw their dwindling sales numbers after release and had to finally take the axe to that useless kinect. Don't be fooled by PR speak. If they were truly listening to people's complaints you'd suddenly start seeing Rare releasing the sort of games they used to make for Nintendo instead of useless kinect games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeda View Post
    They didn't backpedal because of people's complaints. They backpedaled because they saw their pre-order numbers (or lack there-of) and their wallets screamed bloody murder. Don't be fooled by PR speak.
    What's the difference? Yes people that complain will most likely then not stop being your consumers. It's the same thing worded differently. Is not just PR speak, they took action.

    Of course they are after our wallets, like every other company in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edli View Post
    What's the difference? Yes people that complain will most likely then not stop being your consumers. It's the same thing worded differently. Is not just PR speak, they took action.

    Of course they are after our wallets, like every other company in the world.
    Because when you say it your way it sounds like they're making changes out of "the goodness of their hearts" for the sake of having happy customers, when the reality is they did it out of a desperate attempt to make their wallets stop crying after how badly they screwed everything up after seemingly trying to emulate every stereotypically evil corporation you see in movies and thinking they'd get away with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeda View Post
    Because when you say it your way it sounds like they're making changes out of "the goodness of their hearts"
    No company ever does a change out of the goodness of their hearts. It's naive to think that way. Companies do not have hearts, they have shareholders. You think Sony did what they did out of the goodness of their heart? No, it was to get ahead of competition and sell more consoles. Plain and simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edli View Post
    No company ever does a change out of the goodness of their hearts. It's naive to think that way. Companies do not have hearts, they have shareholders. You think Sony did what they did out of the goodness of their heart? No, it was to get ahead of competition and sell more consoles. Plain and simple.
    Never said Sony did. But Sony did have the superior console. It's too late for MS to change that. Even after removing the kinect they're still asking you to buy a weaker console for the same price as the PS4. MS can make all the changes they want but they'll never be able to fully repair the damage they did to themselves. At least not until the next console generation. If people will even give them that chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeda View Post
    Never said Sony did. But Sony did have the superior console. It's too late for MS to change that. Even after removing the kinect they're still asking you to buy a weaker console for the same price as the PS4.
    I do not disagree with that. I just replied to a comment saying MS will not change their mind when it comes to cross play only because people will complain. I brought up a few examples where they did actually change their mind. They're in panic mode now so they will try to do whatever people ask them for. That feedback xbox thingie with people voting for features, I don't see other companies having that.

    That said I don't care really. I play on PC only and all I see with these new platforms is more manpower wasted on things that have no impact on me. For SE this is business though so more platforms, more customers.
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