Glamour & Need

[PArcher]

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

Who says you won't get use out of it? I grabbed gear from Coil as a WHM for my SCH (Gloves, Legs, Feet) even though I had better gear for my job on. Am I not entitled to do that? What about side-grades? Taking melee accessories when I have one already so I have options depending on what I am running? And is Glamour is not a valid reason?

If I farm a dungeon/trial for a drop, whether its apparent I can use it or not, I can Need on whatever class gear drops that I want to, and Greed the rest. Only time I do not is if there are loot rules for that party.

[Skivvy]

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

Right........or it could be that people may want it for glamour, seals, retainers, to complete a set (plenty of completionists in this game..), and who knows what else. They have just as much right to the item as you.

[Landsoul]

I don't really understand, it makes you sound like you are doing random df with random players without knowing who's going to roll on what. In the PF tool there's always older coil greed parties going on. And if you want it really that badly you can always create your own PF group and lock that piece to yourself. So I cannot sympathize with you, and you're not entitled to a specific gear gear in a random instance through DF. You should really try joining up with premade parties through DF if you want to farm your healing gear from turn 2.

[UBERHAXED]

If I want a monk chest from T5 I'm going to have to go in as a monk, rather than a class I'd rather play, like bard. How is this any different? People are just playing on classes so they have an opportunity to roll need even if they don't want to play that class. Moreover, if I'm so out geared for the content, then why else would I be wasting effort doing it if I didn't want the loot?

[Kimikryo]

If that healer was a scholar, the allagan gloves might be better in their eyes. Scholar's love crit and daystar has none. High ilevel doesn't always mean better. A lot of soildery pieces are crap.

this so much over and over. Unless you are on farmlevel to make the weathered to the full thing, a lot of them actually aren't THAT good compared to the mytho and allagan pieces.

To many people think "High ilvl = good" and don't think twice about it. HEY I CAN NEED ON THAT AND I WILL BE ILVL90 .. why is my Accuracy that low and my skillspeed that high *cringes* oh my

[Chokee]

It's all pixels and polygons, no one actually Needs anything so I've always interpreted the Need button as "This is an upgrade for me. If I win I will use this in my main set for this class until I get something better."

Therefor I consider need rolling for glamour, seals, gil, retainers, etc to be an abuse of the system and think that person is a scumbag.

Form your own glamour farming group if you want a certain piece that badly, don't inconvenience other players with your shallow bullcrap.

no. it's the other way around, i think. when you need to get a specific loot or do a specific strat, that's where you form your own party. but in DF though, all is fair.

there's a lot of people who farm content and indirectly help people who're still progressing just to get their glamours. maybe even as many times as those people who farm content for upgrades. they probably have helped a lot of people already before they rolled on that one loot and won. don't say that they're scumbags.

whatever you think is shallow might be one of the reasons others like playing this game.

[Cherie]

I'm sorry but my retainer needs the gear. So I'd roll. She brings me fish every 18 hours.... What do you do for me? :/
Yoshi-P himself said treat your fellow players like NPCs so that's what I do!

In FFXIV ARR we have the Duty Finder so you’ll be able to form a party quickly. When going through contents it doesn’t require much communication so you don’t need to plan ahead, you can play as if other players were NPC’s.

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[Vespar]

Technically speaking, lotting on something for retainer or glamour purposes is still a form of "needing" something. And I have to agree with a few of the poster's on here, if you put the time in and did the battle you have just as much RIGHT to the loot that drops, be it need or greed rolls. SE could have just made it lot/pass, without restricting it with a NEED function to the classes who were on that specific job at the time, then anyone on any job could have lotted it. So in fact, you're getting an advantage over all the other players in the fight already. Chances are there is someone who greeded it who needs it as well but just wasn't healing that day...

There is tons of items I need for various classes and when they drop most of the time I dont get the loot. It might frustrate me sometimes but I keep trying until I get it, or until something better happens to fall in my lap. That's part of what makes this game challenging and enjoyable for me, striving for something even if I hit a few roadblocks along the way. When I do finally get a piece of gear Ive wanted makes it all that much more memorable and exciting

[LovelessG]

Ok for the ones who say make your own PF group. That doesn't help anything because again there is nothing in the way to stop the person from still needing even if they don't need. I do understand people would like glamour thats fine, but there is nothing to change my mind in thinking that glamour should be on a greed basis and not need. You don't NEED to glamour your gear, but you do NEED better gear in order to progress through the game. And no i do not feel entitled to anything if anything it seems a lot of you feel more entitled to take stuff you really won't need from someone who does it to progress through the game, and help later groups. Now you want to argue the fact that said person can use the item for months with glamour. Well so can the actual person who needs it so that argument is mute. What happened to people willing to help out those less fortunate then others. If a person actually needs the piece and is going to use the piece to further his progression then why take it away from him. Just so you can glamour it for aesthetic purposes that doesn't do anything to help the party. Our community seems to be going down hill, and for those of you who do things like that. All your doing is discouraging newer players, and making the community look worse. But the whole make a PF for it is the dumbest idea ever seeing as how there is nothing to stop a person from still needing it. Now maybe the ilvl system I came up with may not be a good idea, but I still think something should be done. And again no I do not feel entitled to anything, I honestly think doing something like that is morally wrong, and its not something I would do to another person. Not for something as silly as glamour that doesn't help or contribute to the party in any shape or form.

[Elim]

I don't really understand, you sound like you were doing random df with random players without knowing who's going to roll on what. So I cannot sympathize with you. You're not entitled to a specific gear gear in a random instance through DF.

These are my thoughts.

That healer might have been trying to get those boots for as long as you have. Who's to say which reason is more "moral" and "right" to roll on loot if there was no loot rules put into place beforehand?

Well, put it this way, there I am leveling my Monk and in Satasha the Acolyte Robe drops, the WHM in the group is a lvl 50 with Coil gear doing their roulette. I am still leveling my casters so the robe would be a great help for when they hit 15, but since I came in as my Monk I cannot need.

The WHM doesn't "need" that robe other than the slim possibility it is for an alt also, but they are in the same boat I am in, rolling for another class, except I cannot need roll and they can, they inevitably win the roll just because they can roll need and I am stuck with greed. How is that fair?

I did the same thing as the WHM but I was on my SCH. Ever since I started playing the game I wanted that robe but it had never dropped till then. Even after doing all the dungeons that it could drop in a billion times over. I rolled on it, won, and glamoured it over my robe. I love it so much. It almost felt like getting a high allagan piece LOL because I had waited so long to get it. I do have the level 50 crafted version but I like the colors of the level 15 robe much more.