Glamour & Need

[LovelessG]

Hello everyone,

I'm making this forum to discuss something I've been seeing a lot of and I think may discouraging some people. Although this issue does not discourage me it is really aggravating when leveling up my other classes. That issue is how people will roll need on items for glamour that they don't need.

To give you an example I'll use a situation I've had many times. So i've been farming T2 for quite awhile now and for me healing items never ever drop. So 30+ runs into the instance the healing boots drop. Now I have i80 boots the healer with me happens to have i100 boots. I let them know that I've been farming this instance like crazy and would really need the boots. They never say anything and at the end of the run they need on the boots and win them

Now my proposition is they need system should be worked a little differently to calculate the Ilvl or a person set item. I.E. If one person has i90 of an item and the other person has i70 of an item, and a I90 item drops then the person who already has the i90 piece should only be able to greed that piece instead of need. That way the person who actually does need it gets it. Now if the item that drops is lets say i110 item and one player has a i80 item & the other an i90. They both should still be able to need on the item. Since they both actually need the item.

Now some people may like this other may not, but I just wanted to start a thread and see what people think. Because honestly when something like this happens to you it doesn't feel good at all, and I know it must be discouraging to new players to have stuff taken from the them by someone who already has the same ilvl item or better just for glamour purposes. I truly believe glamour should be on a greed basis and not need. And the way I explained it would work perfectly.

[LunarEmerald]

No. Thinking you're more entitled to a drop for whatever reason makes you selfish. You both did the battle, so you both equally deserve it. It's as simple as that.

[Tupsi]

No. Thinking you're more entitled to a drop for whatever reason makes you selfish. You both did the battle, so you both equally deserve it. It's as simple as that.

To be fair, an I97+ BRD doesn't need a Garuda Bow or i70 piece of armor compared to the fresh 50 trying to gear up. So while both are entitled by definition, why would someone with an unweathered Sold weapon need a Garuda bow?

Legit question - Why take gear away from someone who'll actually get use out of it in their progression?

[Zeille]

Legit question - Why take gear away from someone who'll actually get use out of it in their progression?

Legit Answer: Because it doesn't matter what someone plans to do with the drop once they have it. Those who've put in the time and effort have earned their right to roll on it.

[Tupsi]

Legit Answer: Because it doesn't matter what someone plans to do with the drop once they have it. Those who've put in the time and effort have earned their right to roll on it.

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

[Zeille]

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

Yes. Both people participated in the fight, so both can roll on it.

You say zero use, but to someone that wants it, it's not zero use to them. If you wanna be nice and pass all drops to others, go for it dude.

[PArcher]

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

Who says you won't get use out of it? I grabbed gear from Coil as a WHM for my SCH (Gloves, Legs, Feet) even though I had better gear for my job on. Am I not entitled to do that? What about side-grades? Taking melee accessories when I have one already so I have options depending on what I am running? And is Glamour is not a valid reason?

If I farm a dungeon/trial for a drop, whether its apparent I can use it or not, I can Need on whatever class gear drops that I want to, and Greed the rest. Only time I do not is if there are loot rules for that party.

[Skivvy]

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

Right........or it could be that people may want it for glamour, seals, retainers, to complete a set (plenty of completionists in this game..), and who knows what else. They have just as much right to the item as you.

[chococo]

So it comes more down to: "Should I be nice and let someone who gets use out of it try their luck or should I should be that guy and take it even though I have zero use for it?"

It's pretty much a debate about oneself being self-centered or not.

[Vahlnir]

No. Thinking you're more entitled to a drop for whatever reason makes you selfish. You both did the battle, so you both equally deserve it. It's as simple as that.

As much as losing a loot roll sucks...it's not the first time and certainly not the last. Been there, done that for years. Couldn't agree with this post more. Your idea borders into the "feeling entitled" thing and I don't really agree with that. 2 people see an item they want, so they roll. Obviously there'll be a loser so...better luck next time. If I got a nickel for every time I lost a loot roll in my MMO history I'd be a rich man.