Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Shinryuu8]

Any pics of Gae Bolg Novus yet?

the only one I saw is this
ew, purple-pink, just like high allagan.

EDIT: found this video, now iI'm even more sad

[SokiYagami]

If only they gave it a darker shade of purple glow like the Bishamon sword from Onimusha series... /sigh

[kyrios91]

Hello. I just finally cleared T5 tonight and now trying to clear T6. My question is: Is Skill Speed an important stat in SCoB? If so, what is an ideal point? I've heard / read stuff about SSpd coming into play in 2nd coil to the point where Army's Paeon is finally being used to cope with the TP-intensive fights.

Here's my current set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MWPZ - in terms of Body, I'm always concerned whether if trading the 24 Crit and Det from Wyrm's Mail to use W. Astrum Suit is worth it. I thought of probably I can just fill the Crit and Det loss with Food, but just wanna ask for a firm reason.

Any help / clarification is much appreciated. Thanks!

[Sen_Terrechant]

Hello. I just finally cleared T5 tonight and now trying to clear T6. My question is: Is Skill Speed an important stat in SCoB? If so, what is an ideal point? I've heard / read stuff about SSpd coming into play in 2nd coil to the point where Army's Paeon is finally being used to cope with the TP-intensive fights.

Here's my current set: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MWPZ - in terms of Body, I'm always concerned whether if trading the 24 Crit and Det from Wyrm's Mail to use W. Astrum Suit is worth it. I thought of probably I can just fill the Crit and Det loss with Food, but just wanna ask for a firm reason.

Any help / clarification is much appreciated. Thanks!

With Dragoon you want as little skillspeed and as much crit/det as possible.

[Decrith]

With Dragoon you want as little skillspeed and as much crit/det as possible.

Not necessarily, in T9's case you'd like to have enough skill speed to land an extra hit before the boss Jumps off to some of his skills.

[kyrios91]

With Dragoon you want as little skillspeed and as much crit/det as possible.

Not necessarily, in T9's case you'd like to have enough skill speed to land an extra hit before the boss Jumps off to some of his skills.

I'd guess so. I always researched and most threads said that as a DRG you gotta prioritize CRIT and DET than SSpd. So basically this set is better than my previous one? http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MWRI

[kyrios91]

*Continued from my post above*

The reason I doubt it because there's this guy in my LS that 'interviewed' me before helping me out for T5 (He didn't helped out eventually, lame). He asked my gear / stats and my rotation. I said that my gears and stats are exactly on that link I provided above, and my rotation is the exact same rotation from this guide - the Rotation Reborn. He started saying that "Oh my DRG deals better damage / You have the wrong rotation / You gotta put more Skill Speed" etc. I started to explain why CRIT / DET >> SSpd and the reason behind my gearsets, and he kept saying that I'm wrong and still gotta work on my rotation. He said "My DRG deals more damage but he's more undergeared than yours". In my thought, I'm really sure he's just this elitist guy who likes to call bullshit because he wrote his stats and he has lower DET and STR than me, and I don't really think someone with lower DET and STR and outdamage someone with a higher stat (Logically).

[Altena]

A topic for discussion - How much can you clip Chaos Thrust before losing out on damage?

Raw potency, Chaos has a higher potency if you clip the debuff at 20 seconds (compared to Full Thrust).
The downside is that the DoT from Chaos is unaffected by the piercing damage from Disembowel.
So my question - at what point does clipping Chaos become better then doing a FT combo?

Eye-balling the math which I am pretty terrible at (going to leave Heavy Thrust out of this for now for simplicity). Also assume you will be clipping Disembowel (so account for piercing damage), values are in potency:
ID > Dis > CT(DoT)
= 198 + 242 + 220 + (300)
= 660 + DoT(300)

TT > VT > FT
= 165 + 220 + 363
= 748

Therefore the DoT from Chaos would have to do 88 potency (3 ticks, approximately 9 seconds) in order to be worth clipping rather then using FT.
So in other words - technically speaking, you would be better off clipping Chaos after those 3 ticks of DoT then you would if you were to do FT combo.

This does exclude Heavy & Life Surge (If Life Surge is up, then FT would definitely be more beneficial).

What do people think of this?

[pompey_dan]

A topic for discussion - How much can you clip Chaos Thrust before losing out on damage?

Raw potency, Chaos has a higher potency if you clip the debuff at 20 seconds (compared to Full Thrust).
The downside is that the DoT from Chaos is unaffected by the piercing damage from Disembowel.
So my question - at what point does clipping Chaos become better then doing a FT combo?

Eye-balling the math which I am pretty terrible at (going to leave Heavy Thrust out of this for now for simplicity). Also assume you will be clipping Disembowel (so account for piercing damage), values are in potency:
ID > Dis > CT(DoT)
= 198 + 242 + 220 + (300)
= 660 + DoT(300)

TT > VT > FT
= 165 + 220 + 363
= 748

Therefore the DoT from Chaos would have to do 88 potency (3 ticks, approximately 9 seconds) in order to be worth clipping rather then using FT.
So in other words - technically speaking, you would be better off clipping Chaos after those 3 ticks of DoT then you would if you were to do FT combo.

This does exclude Heavy & Life Surge (If Life Surge is up, then FT would definitely be more beneficial).

What do people think of this?

Huh? I don't know if I'm understanding you correctly but are you trying to say that clipping CT after 3 ticks is better then using FT combo filler lol?

You left out on your maths that CT dot will be ticking when both clipping CT and when using FT combo.

The only time you should be clipping CT by a large amount is if you knew there was a disconnect of 20s coming and could time your CT to hit just before the disconnect. There would need to be at least less then 21 seconds on CT at the time it hits for it to start becoming worth it.

[Decrith]

snip

He's only half right, the rotation at the first page is the optimal rotation assuming you have the base GCD of 2.5, but with SS say... 2.4 GCD your rotation with your OFF-GCD skills have to move a bit. Skill Speed becomes entirely useless if you follow that rotation by the letter, because it doesn't utilize SS potential to get an extra skill or 2 off in a smaller time. An example would be leg sweep, try stacking all your skill speed gear and try to do the normal rotation, if you'll notice that if you delay using your next GCD to use leg sweep before a particular skill you'll be completely negating the effects of skill speed entirely. It's a bit hard to explain, but what I'm trying to say is, if you use a off-gcd skill in between your gcd skill and that said off-gcd skill is delaying gcd skill regardless of why (example, it became available when there's 1 second left till your GCD is ready and you forced to pop it first), it's better to wait for the next gcd to use it, so the incoming GCD won't be delayed by the off-gcd skill's animation.

Ughh wall of text, I hope you understand what I was trying to say xD