DIP, DUCK, DIVE, DODGE!

[Firon]

While i do like action rpg's the thing that makes me tire of them is how retarded easy they are or how exploitable they are. In the end most action rpg's = this formula attack like crazy and have a healer you can rush thru most rpg's like this. Lets try the tale's series for instance while i love these game they are stupid easy same goes for star ocean you just need a healer and broken character.

Let's Check out Yuri Lowell from tales and see him make this game look easy. He can infinite any boss in the game once he gets an single hit on Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ozmp_B0zwU

Then you have a game like star ocean with broken characters especially in 3 and 4

This vid is of Meracle abusing the dodging(blindside) system in SOTH to beat one of the hardest bosses in the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6wMbeKsgYU

Now these 2 vids are just examples of what i dislike about action rpg's always some exploit in them and they tend to lack the one thing all RPG's should have and that's strategy. Most action rpg's usually tend to be fun at first but it wears off fast cause the battle system end up like this game senseless button mashing.

Now don't think turn base rpg's don't have simple exploits they do but not many one of the biggest offenders of this is FF X(I already know a lot of you will go crazy of this but that game was down right easy and broken in terms of combat) this is for the people who will say X wasn't broken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcT3Cn33Ig0

[Dyne]

While i do like action rpg's the thing that makes me tire of them is how retarded easy they are or how exploitable they are. In the end most action rpg's = this formula attack like crazy and have a healer you can rush thru most rpg's like this. Lets try the tale's series for instance while i love these game they are stupid easy same goes for star ocean you just need a healer and broken character.

Let's Check out Yuri Lowell from tales and see him make this game look easy. He can infinite any boss in the game once he gets an single hit on Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ozmp_B0zwU

Then you have a game like star ocean with broken characters especially in 3 and 4

This vid is of Meracle abusing the dodging(blindside) system in SOTH to beat one of the hardest bosses in the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6wMbeKsgYU

Now these 2 vids are just examples of what i dislike about action rpg's always some exploit in them and they tend to lack the one thing all RPG's should have and that's strategy. Most action rpg's usually tend to be fun at first but it wears off fast cause the battle system end up like this game senseless button mashing.

Now don't think turn base rpg's don't have simple exploits they do but not many one of the biggest offenders of this is FF X(I already know a lot of you will go crazy of this but that game was down right easy and broken in terms of combat) this is for the people who will say X wasn't broken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcT3Cn33Ig0

You're examples are a bit too extreme. Don't really want hyper speed dodge. I want something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEbR...eature=related

[Firon]

[QUOTE=Dyne;220646]You're examples are a bit too extreme. Don't really want hyper speed dodge. I want something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEbR...eature=related[/QUO

I know they are extreme but this is what usually happens with his type of game play the point i wanted to make is that action games end up more or less like this game button mashing with little strategy

[Dyne]

[QUOTE=Firon;220651]

You're examples are a bit too extreme. Don't really want hyper speed dodge. I want something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSEbR...eature=related[/QUO

I know they are extreme but this is what usually happens with his type of game play the point i wanted to make is that action games end up more or less like this game button mashing with little strategy

That's no different than the introduction of utsusemi in ffxi. If you're really good, you can do it so you won't get hit.

[Firon]

[QUOTE=Dyne;220660]

That's no different than the introduction of utsusemi in ffxi. If you're really good, you can do it so you won't get hit.

like i said i never said none action rpg's are without flaws and just ustu alone didn't make you broken its utsu + evasion set ups that made people broken.