Story falls apart at the end...

[Sakasa]

The game isn't all about new players either. Vets are just as important as newbies. The more players the better for SE.

I don't think they should make DF cater to one side or the other. We have PF for that already.

Maybe but the way you make your defense is chock full of entitlement for something that actually doesn't make anyone more important then the person to their left. Vets have time being lost, New players have experiences being tarnished. The argument goes both ways but it will also look like the Vets should know better.

[ColorOfSakura]

So you're saying that it's wrong to expect a Final Fantasy game to be a Final Fantasy game.

Go play Final Fantasy XI. I dare you.

You'll be complaining about that game faster than you are about this one.

An MMO is an MMO first and foremost.

FFXIV is still a "Final Fantasy" title in the sense that it has a grand, epic storyline behind it where the player character is central to the development of the plot. Go play WoW or any other number of MMOs - most of them don't do that. FFXIV does it because that's the essence of Final Fantasy - putting the focus on the player character and making them integral to the storyline. Just because you're mad that you weren't able to watch the cutscenes for Castrum and Praetorium in the dungeons themselves doesn't make the game "a bad Final Fantasy title". Maybe in your very VERY subjective opinion it does, but overall it doesn't.

Honestly, if you're going to stand there and lord over the game with this high horsed mentality, then go find something better to do. You already said you quit the game, but you're coming onto the forums like a bored petulant child and beating your chest proclaiming how bad the game is to somehow make yourself feel better. Stop it. Go find other stuff to do. Find a game you enjoy. Stop ragging on the ones you don't.

[Ecks007]

Go play Final Fantasy XI. I dare you.

You'll be complaining about that game faster than you are about this one.

An MMO is an MMO first and foremost.

FFXIV is still a "Final Fantasy" title in the sense that it has a grand, epic storyline behind it where the player character is central to the development of the plot. Go play WoW or any other number of MMOs - most of them don't do that. FFXIV does it because that's the essence of Final Fantasy - putting the focus on the player character and making them integral to the storyline. Just because you're mad that you weren't able to watch the cutscenes for Castrum and Praetorium in the dungeons themselves doesn't make the game "a bad Final Fantasy title". Maybe in your very VERY subjective opinion it does, but overall it doesn't.

Honestly, if you're going to stand there and lord over the game with this high horsed mentality, then go find something better to do. You already said you quit the game, but you're coming onto the forums like a bored petulant child and beating your chest proclaiming how bad the game is to somehow make yourself feel better. Stop it. Go find other stuff to do. Find a game you enjoy. Stop ragging on the ones you don't.

The only people who would be complaining about FFXI would be those who grew up post WoW where everything is easy access and handed to you on a silver platter, basically. Granted, from my understanding they have changed XI to be far more accessable and easier to level than it used to be back when I played it.

But that MMO had some really amazing stories. Even stories from normal quests were rather elaborate (not all normal quests, but there were a few normal ones that had long stories). That's one thing most modern MMORPGs lack in. Good storytelling.

As for this comment:

...has a grand, epic storyline behind it where the player character is central to the development of the plot. Go play WoW or any other number of MMOs - most of them don't do that. FFXIV does it because that's the essence of Final Fantasy - putting the focus on the player character and making them integral to the storyline.

D..d'what?? Have you ever played any other mmorpg? While for some the over all story is not so spectacular, your character is pretty much pivotal in the storyline of nearly any MMORPG because if you weren't what would be the point in making a story for the game that your players are not involved in? The sense of fantasy of being pivotal person within a game's story is not limited to "Final Fantasy" when it comes to MMORPGs or games in general. Most MMORPGs do in fact do this.

Though I do agree that people who quit the game because they didn't like something about it have very little sense returning to a forum just to cry about what they didn't like after the fact that they stopped playing.

[Elim]

Maybe but the way you make your defense is chock full of entitlement for something that actually doesn't make anyone more important then the person to their left. Vets have time being lost, New players have experiences being tarnished. The argument goes both ways but it will also look like the Vets should know better.

Dunno what you're talking about. Did you read my whole post? I said "just as important" not "more important".

[ColorOfSakura]

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The comment about FFXI is mainly because XI became grind driven content very early on. The story was important, yeah, but it did everything that this guy claims he hates about XIV, and it was a lot worse in those regards about being super grindy.

As for the second part: I've played lots of MMOs. Most of them that I've played don't have you as the pivotal character in the storyline, not really. WoW didn't do it until Cataclysm. I mean, yeah, you were helping out - but it was all faction based. You were just a small part of a bigger whole, you weren't the central "main" character in the story. You just factored in and helped contribute, but you weren't the main player.

I'm not saying all MMOs are like this (they aren't - there's some great story driven ones out there), but there's a large amount of them that are more content driven and less focused on storyline and making the PC the "main" character.

XIV makes it a point to make the player character the single most important character in the game. Even though there's other adventurers out there, they try to make it seem like its just you and a small band of other players and NPCs that are the "saviors" of the realm.

[Buffo_The_Clown]

With that logic, why even bother having cutscenes or characters or a story?

I never said that Final Fantasy XIV should play like a single-player game. It should play like an RPG. All that an RPG has to do is create a progressive storytelling experience. Final Fantasy XIV fails at the most crucial point in any role-playing game - the ending. It doesn't matter if it's an MMO or not.

The most unfortunate part about this is that Realm Reborn did very well as a Final Fantasy game - up until the ending.

This is my point. Square captured the Final Fantasy single story experience perfectly up until the climax, when it mattered most.