There needs to be some kind of "Intentionally Uncooperative" vote kick option

[FritoBandito]

Not everyone gets eruptions, it hits a few folks at random, if you are a blm brd or smn you can still damage while moving, if you are one of those ranged dps that can't figure out how to still do damage while moving then well maybe you do need someone to hold your hand and stun every eruption for you.

Wow... just stop. Please, just stop. Your arguments are ridiculous.

[CrystalRainbow]

I just use harassment.

As this is a form of griefing,

My wife also uses this on people that always not ready in ready/check. It's a small thing but they intentionally aren't using the system the way it's intended. So she votes to get ride of them.
This bugs me but I get why it bugs her, so whatever.

[Gilraen]

Sigh, completely off topic but players like Mcshiggs make me glad I learned to play MMOs with XI and not 'mainstream' titles... The notion that DPS output is all-important above all else only serves to breed terrible players.

[Mcshiggs]

Sigh, completely off topic but players like Mcshiggs make me glad I learned to play MMOs with XI and not 'mainstream' titles... The notion that DPS output is all-important above all else only serves to breed terrible players.

Well let me just say that wherever you learned to play MMO's I'm glad it wasn't in my groups, and I wasn't saying dps output is everything, sometimes it is, but it has more to do with handholding, the OP wanted to be able to kick a paladin for not stunning eruptions, that is just ridiculous. Sometimes you need as much dps as possible, sometimes you don't, but you should always expect people to be paying attention to the fights and what is going on around them, so if someone doesn't stun an eruption you can dodge it, instead of coming to the forums and crying that someone screwed up your Ifrit run.

As for learning in XI, I hope you got all those mechanics down like which enemies to tank with your back to them and which you don't while the rest of the party punches macros and watches their Gilmore Girls and One Tree Hill on the Netflix. I'm thinking had you learned how to Safety Dance from that "mainstream" game you wouldn't need someone to stun those eruptions for you.

[blowfin]

people still stun things in ifrit? wtf is this 2.0?

Yeah because you know, it's kind of the optimal approach to not have your healers and DPS running around like headless chooks whenever an eruption goes off. But who would want things to go smoothly? AM I RIGHT?

Stunning eruptions can also drop party dps, the paladin isn't as focused on damage since he is always waiting to shield bash, not to mention dragoons and monks have to keep leg sweep and steel peak out of their rotations, and they can't jump/shoulder tackle back after knockbacks because they will end up causing Ifrit to get resistant to stuns, and everyone will have to dodge anyway.

These are possibly the worst excuses for not stunning I've ever seen. A single GCD (and not even that for WAR) does not impact DPS more than half your party having to dodge multiple eruptions.

If your MT or OT can't manage to land some stuns (post nails: this is when it actually matters) they're either lazy or terrible.

Sigh, completely off topic but players like Mcshiggs make me glad I learned to play MMOs with XI and not 'mainstream' titles... The notion that DPS output is all-important above all else only serves to breed terrible players.

The funny thing is he's actually completely wrong about the DPS loss from stun. He's not terrible necessarily, he's just really wrong.

[Kaze3434]

stuns are bad.

going by this any fight where stunning and silence help keep people alive/doing their job are unneeded, so everyone should ignore both rams and dragons voice, ignore the add that spawns in Levi ex that cast dread wash except to dps it, and stop stunning the dreadknight, because "hand holding".

[Ilenya]

the GLD stun is called shield bash...so yah, you kind of need a shield for it
also he said it was a new group....which means they aren't good at dodging, and to help out....ot pld should stun the eruptions.
and by saying eruptions aren't difficult to dodge, you're supporting the trolls that intentionally make an easy fight harder than it needs to be, or saying that it's not really an issue.
imagine if it was T7 instead, and the person intentionally shriek the pt.

Okay on the Shield Bash. I don't take my shield off my Paladin, so I didn't really pay attention to that obvious point.

Fair enough, missed the 'new group' part.

I'm supporting what now? Are you putting words in my mouth?

Having only gotten to t2, I have no idea what T7 is like.

[Mcshiggs]

I don't have the mental capacity to separate the difference between an Ifrit and Twintania fight.

I like how you erased my comment and inserted something I never said, but see I can do it too. As for stuns and silences, sometimes they are a bigger help than other times. On Ifrit if someone misses a stun then you can dodge the eruptions, wanting an option to kick someone for not stunning damage you can easily avoid is just stupid. Other times of course you need to stun and silence, but have you noticed how people can breeze past Ifrit and Garuda, then hit a wall on Titan, that is more than likely the fact that they didn't have to pay attention to what was going on, and can't react and move because their hands were held through earlier fights. There is nothing wrong with stunning that stuff, but expecting eruptions to be stunned every time and then throwing a fit like the OP did because eruptions weren't stunned is what I call needing his hand held.

[Alistaire]

I just use harassment.

As this is a form of griefing,

My wife also uses this on people that always not ready in ready/check. It's a small thing but they intentionally aren't using the system the way it's intended. So she votes to get ride of them.
This bugs me but I get why it bugs her, so whatever.

Ditto, that kind of thing as described in OP is definitely harassment.

[Laraul]

So, there needs to be a vote kick selection for "disagreeing with you."

Hmm... I think there might be some people who will disagree with this.

And this was a TRIAL ROULETTE. Players less experience than yourself. And if you we're Lancer/DRG why didn't you assist w/ leg sweep? Or we're you a ranged dps or healer? You instead choose to vote kick over the way another player chooses to play. And then you leave because it doesn't pass. That's not a healthily attitude. You aren't aren't willing with other players. And then you accuse those players of trolling?