There needs to be some kind of "Intentionally Uncooperative" vote kick option

[Kaze3434]

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except OP wasnt expecting all the erruptions to get stunned. OT didnt have a shield on to even do stuns. as for connection that i made, stuns and such are there to help keep people doing what needs to be done. are they needed? no, but not having to worry about x action happening because it was stopped certainly makes things easier to deal with.

[Alistaire]

So, there needs to be a vote kick selection for "disagreeing with you."

Hmm... I think there might be some people who will disagree with this.

A PLD not using any shield is doing a little more than disagreeing with someone...There's no valid argument you could even possibly make for that being some kind of "alternate strat".

[Laraul]

A PLD not using any shield is doing a little more than disagreeing with someone...There's no valid argument you could even possibly make for that being some kind of "alternate strat".

I believe there's the "no PLD available strategy" that you may not be familiar with. It's when the two roles for the tank are filled by the WARRIOR job.

Perhaps the reason why the PLD didn't have the shield was because of incident like this...

[Alistaire]

I believe there's the "no PLD available strategy" that you may not be familiar with. It's when the two roles for the tank are filled by the WARRIOR job.

How does that relate to kicking a PLD who didn't bring a shield exactly?

[M0xie]

Ifrit HM has been around so long, but it happens the exact same way every single time (except when dps is high and nails occur quickly). If any kind of player still isn't sure when, where, and how eruptions or plumes occur, they should continue trying until they learn it to dodge them.

The fact that they're stunnable is the gimme. Use stun or not, it's still completely possible to win.

This coming from a whm that can heal and dps and dodge both, after trying many many times and learning the patterns. Keep trying!

Edit: this relates to "kicking a paladin for not bringing a shield" by pointing out that it's not necessary to do so nor does a win completely rest on the paladin's contributions.

[Dgsoil]

There is literally no downside to equipping a shield, unlike some other games. There is no damage increase for having just a sword equipped, and you lose the stats you would have gained from your shield, so the argued loss of DPS is counterproductive. So there is literally no argument for this person not using their shield, stun is another thing but the general accepted strategy is to stun eruptions when possible so that you build LB and save the party hassle. But hey, if you guys are okay with people gimping your fight for lawls you won't mind when I come try to main tank in my snowman suit right?

[ruskie]

My wife also uses this on people that always not ready in ready/check. It's a small thing but they intentionally aren't using the system the way it's intended. So she votes to get ride of them.

Great... let's remove any semblance of communication then... We don't need the chat box to ask if people are ready. Maybe there will be a suspension due to abusive behaviour eventually(yeah right). As a white mage buffing people I will often hit hold when a ready check comes up and by the time I'm done with 8 people the readycheck will be over and I won't be able to change that. But I will respond in chat with a 'r' for ready. I never use readycheck but always ask in chat for people if ready. If there are people that don't respond there(it's 8 people not that hard to count) then I might consider a readycheck - but even then usually the ones not responding are jumping or something to mean go go go.

But hey, if you guys are okay with people gimping your fight for lawls you won't mind when I come try to main tank in my snowman suit right?

Please do. Infact will recommend to someone in my LSs/FC to do so. Prob on the next relic run.

As for stunning errupitons and so on... and that effecting healers/dps... you are joking right? The half a second walk out of an erruption zone really isn't a big deal. And people need to learn you don't need to run across the field but just in a small circle where you are(you learn this on ultima hm eventually).

[RaquelleAvarosa]

Stunning eruptions can also drop party dps, the paladin isn't as focused on damage since he is always waiting to shield bash

What? LOL! I'm sorry I didn't realise that a Paladin's damage output is much more than a DPS class. Unless you're telling me that every of your Ifrit runs consist of 4 Bards that can dps while running around, what you've said...is just...LOL~

[Sove92]

Not wielding a shield is obviously being stupid or griefing but why should the OT do nothing else but stun Eruptions when they can do damage (less than a DD but it is still damage)? This isn't 2.0 anymore, where you can stun every Eruption. In fact, a MT WAR can easily handle all of the stunning because this isn't 2.0 anymore.

[Delnoir]

So, there needs to be a vote kick selection for "disagreeing with you."

Hmm... I think there might be some people who will disagree with this.

And this was a TRIAL ROULETTE. Players less experience than yourself. And if you we're Lancer/DRG why didn't you assist w/ leg sweep? Or we're you a ranged dps or healer? You instead choose to vote kick over the way another player chooses to play. And then you leave because it doesn't pass. That's not a healthily attitude. You aren't aren't willing with other players. And then you accuse those players of trolling?

I was BLM at the time. Was looking to mix things up.

No I don't want an option to kick for disagreeing with me. That's stupid. I'd like an option to get rid of people who are doing things that are screwing us up on purpose. After two wipes happening for the exact same reason (No shield -> no stuns -> everyone dies) then yes, I choose to vote kick someone who's intentionally doing something that is detrimental to completing the task at hand. And then yes I opted to leave because between newer players on top of a tank who thinks he's hilarious for not using a shield and acting like he's in a Thundercats cartoon (not making that up by the way) I don't find leaving after such events what you call unhealthy.

Also for the sake of not making the MT sound like a twit he would try to stun when he could, but he was a PLD too so his stun was often locked down by GCD.