There needs to be some kind of "Intentionally Uncooperative" vote kick option

[Delnoir]

I've been getting a few instances lately where the people are purposefully doing stupid stuff that's causing problems.

Perfect example: Ifrit Hard Mode for my trial roulette earlier. Pally off-tank wasn't using a shield. We hit the last phase and of course between plumes and eruptions everywhere we eat dirt. First time I tell him to put his shield on. He just laughs and has the MT pull again.

Second time, for lack of a better option to do so, I try vote dismiss under harassment. When that didn't pass I had no choice but to leave since it was a relatively new group (We're talking primal weapons and base job armor level of new for some of these guys).

Instead of being worried about how trolls might abuse us with the vote kick feature we just need the tools to fight the trolls because let's face it: people who abuse the vote to kick feature are already doing it. Please give us the means to fight back against these people.

[Gilraen]

This is a terrible idea. Yes, trolls do abuse the vote system but the trolling is tempered by the fact it has to be a majority decision. This is the only means of keeping it's abuse in check. By removing this you just make it easier for the trolls to be trolls. I'd rather put up with someone calling a vote every 5 minutes than having people randomly booted without so much as an explanation beforehand.

[Ilenya]

I'm kinda confused...What does the Paladin not having his shield have to do with wiping? I suppose maybe the lack of the stun (assuming it needs the shield. Haven't tested...) could explain, but dodging isn't all that hard.

[Radacci]

I'm kinda confused...What does the Paladin not having his shield have to do with wiping? I suppose maybe the lack of the stun (assuming it needs the shield. Haven't tested...) could explain, but dodging isn't all that hard.

the GLD stun is called shield bash...so yah, you kind of need a shield for it
also he said it was a new group....which means they aren't good at dodging, and to help out....ot pld should stun the eruptions.
and by saying eruptions aren't difficult to dodge, you're supporting the trolls that intentionally make an easy fight harder than it needs to be, or saying that it's not really an issue.
imagine if it was T7 instead, and the person intentionally shriek the pt.

[wicked-one]

And everytime i read such things, it comes to my mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWf-eARnf6U

[Mcshiggs]

and by saying eruptions aren't difficult to dodge, you're supporting the trolls that intentionally make an easy fight harder than it needs to be, or saying that it's not really an issue.
imagine if it was T7 instead, and the person intentionally shriek the pt.

By expecting someone to always make a fight easier by stunning damage that you have the ability to avoid, you are supporting those players that refuse to get better and expect to be carried through their content.

[Radacci]

By expecting someone to always make a fight easier by stunning damage that you have the ability to avoid, you are supporting those players that refuse to get better and expect to be carried through their content.

The only thing the OT PLD need to do in the fight, is stun eruptions, but maybe that's to much work
Is it better that PLD stun eruptions, or that healers/casters need to stop healing/dps, run around like chicken, for 10sec? even melee can get targeted, an need to run away, dropping pt dps. and everyone else in the way need to run away too, further disrupting DPS/heals, cause PLD is being lazy.
But i guess you could skip the part in T5, where OT takes all hatches, cause it makes it to easy, or not killing middle bulb in T6 also. cause it's just promoting carrying ppl.
But i agree, it's easy to dodge, but since you can stun it, there's no reason not to. So DPS can focus on DPS, and healers can focus on heals.
It's about efficiency, not epeen contest, who can dodge the most plumes.

[Mcshiggs]

Stunning eruptions can also drop party dps, the paladin isn't as focused on damage since he is always waiting to shield bash, not to mention dragoons and monks have to keep leg sweep and steel peak out of their rotations, and they can't jump/shoulder tackle back after knockbacks because they will end up causing Ifrit to get resistant to stuns, and everyone will have to dodge anyway.

[Warlyx]

why the MT/ melee didnt stun the eruptions? , u dont need to stun every eruption (u just cant anymore ) but stuning every other eruption helps .

[Radacci]

Stunning eruptions can also drop party dps, the paladin isn't as focused on damage since he is always waiting to shield bash, not to mention dragoons and monks have to keep leg sweep and steel peak out of their rotations, and they can't jump/shoulder tackle back after knockbacks because they will end up causing Ifrit to get resistant to stuns, and everyone will have to dodge anyway.

i was MT and stunning eruptions, when i was doing Ifrit. Just need to know the timing of the eruptions, so don't need to hold back on combos.
It takes 1 sec to run back to boss after knockback, that's less of a DPS drop, than ppl having to kite eruptions for 5-10sec.
right, but i think blm not having to run around, is better than drg not using spineshatter/sweep. In case you got a smn it's less of a problem.
but if you got a new pt, its better to just simplify things, and not expect them to properly kite multi-eruptions, without running into other ppl.