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[Purrfectstorm]

I'm a bit perplexed with this...

" One last point about advice: the tank was a random player, to them, the other party members are random players also. So why should the tank assume any of the other party members' advice is WORTH taking? "

Why WOULDN'T it be worth taking? Reject any piece of advice just because it comes from someone not in your circle of friends? I mean you're not even stopping to analyze if it's good or bad feedback, instead just rejecting it as soon as it comes.

And I'm surprised it took 4 pages for someone to say a sort of "don't tell me how to play", I'm not bossing anyone or ordering them to do something, really that attitude is exactly what is wrong with this game.

People tend to trust their own opinions more than those of strangers. That's all I was saying. Love the defensiveness though. I was just trying to offer friendly, unsolicited advice! You get the irony right?

[Alistaire]

You're right, the ability to examine advice without passing it off due to the source is a lost art.

[Tridus1x]

So this is a post about an archer being rude to a tank. The tank calls him out on his low DPS, he admits to not trying to help the group yet he wants the tank to play a certain way. Pot meet kettle.

To the OP, you seemed to attempt to give advice the right way, too bad your archer pal made what could of been a good learning experience for him into a childish back and forth.

Either way, like many have stated, you can use a marauder in T9. I guess that archer would of thought of that if he wasn't "talking to his LS" all the time.

[Huntington]

I remember when I was experimenting with the applications of an ACN and it's cross class abilities, what a ****-storm I created from one of my threads. Another example would be using Titan to tank as a SMN while the tank can DPS since they'll have higher damage out-put than a pet would out of tank stance. Got mocked for that one too. Then it became a good strategy to use Titan to tank on Thornmarch Extreme, and yet clearly no one was like "hey remember that guy that was using a pet to tank to help out a tank in a dungeon and how he was just playing his job incorrectly instead of being seen as using something outside the norm and complacency of end-game routines? Yeah me either, let's mock him now then say glory unto Haruhi a month from now when we use a SMN to tank something for us in an encounter with Titan."

This community sometimes I swear.

[Yurihyuga]

There is nothing wrong with experimenting different cross class skills. However the role of a tank is to build enmity and using mitigation skills to take as little damage as possible so using blood for blood when you are tanking is an awful decision to make. Don't get me wrong there might be some situations as off tank where an increase in dps is welcomed but when your actually tanking is not one of them.

When your main tanking your dps is the last priority and even then its not important in the slightest.

[Najara]

No, that's just like being a Hunter with Growl on, or a Warlock with Voidwalker pet.

Tanks want to do their job, and of course they'll start freaking out once they see that one or two mobs haven't gotten any aggro on them, because y'know they COULD be on the Healer or someone else, so they try to figure out who has the aggro, then find out it's the pet.
Then they start fighting the pet for aggro, which they can't win (at least not in low level dungeons).

I also hate it when some SMN thinks he has to use Topaz Carbuncle/Titan-egi. Just don't use it. It's not worth it.

I don't know what either of those classes are but I'll assume it's from WoW. The reason they can't win the aggro is precisely why I do it in the first place. It's helping more than people want to admit and fighting against it is exactly what's wrong with the community in the first place. There ARE other strategies and they ARE just, if not more, efficient.

[Vahlnir]

I don't know what either of those classes are but I'll assume it's from WoW. The reason they can't win the aggro is precisely why I do it in the first place. It's helping more than people want to admit and fighting against it is exactly what's wrong with the community in the first place. There ARE other strategies and they ARE just, if not more, efficient.

Yes, it was a class from WoW, the "Archer/Bard" equivalent but able to use a pet. As to the rest of this post...I don't follow your logic at all. It doesn't help in any way, unless the tank is doing a poor job tanking. Otherwise it just causes problems. Yes there are different strategies, but making a tank compete with a tanking pet isn't efficient whatsoever.

[Najara]

Yes, it was a class from WoW, the "Archer/Bard" equivalent but able to use a pet. As to the rest of this post...I don't follow your logic at all. It doesn't help in any way, unless the tank is doing a poor job tanking. Otherwise it just causes problems. Yes there are different strategies, but making a tank compete with a tanking pet isn't efficient whatsoever.

Who said they needed to compete? You can't follow my logic because you refuse to think differently.

[Vahlnir]

Who said they needed to compete? You can't follow my logic because you refuse to think differently.

I can't follow it because it doesn't help in most situations. For the record I'm not closed minded enough to deny that something works even if it's unusual, or doesn't work like your methods. You won't meet a lot, if any tanks that are willing to deal with that. It actually makes their job harder which seems to be what you want to happen. I did take a look at your earlier post by the way...while your intentions are somewhat good, it does more harm than anything else. The post referring to a WoW Hunter having their pet's Growl on hit the nail on the head.

[leoc85]

You dont find stuff like this in jp servers..