2.3 Frontline What do we know?

[Nalien]

I know I'm repeating myself, but I think it's called appealing to the masses and getting people interested in pvp.

Said this plenty now, but that's something they should have addressed months ago. PvP has been dead in the water since launch (or close enough), they should have made it more appealing in the months following, not pushing Frontlines under the bus to try and save PvP now. People have been begging for new game modes in Wolves Den since launch, they did nothing. People begged for skills to be more accessible, they did it at the last possible minute. People begged them to make the grind more tolerable, they still refuse to change it. It's inane.

No real sense lamenting what they could, and should, have done I guess. Though they could still put Frontlines behind a Rank requirement and fix the grind up a bit. Then there is a clear sense of progression and anyone coming into Frontlines should have been able to obtain some gear by the time they can enter.

Another thing that gets me is that comment Yoshida made ages ago;

Front Line which is planned for release in patch 2.3 (battle between 3 teams) is probably good place to try out PvP before getting into the real PvP. PvP is not limited to 24 players, there may be much more.

OK. Lets accept that for a minutes. You do Frontline to get into PvP, and that's some how going to make you want to try out Wolves Den? Why? Is anyone going to go "Oh look at this guy, he has the R40 gear that does absolutely nothing here" and lust after it for anything over than vanity?

Literally the only hope I have left now is that the comment about Frontlines having the same rewards +tomestones can be taken literally, as in; Wolves Den = ~1m match for xEXP/Marks, Frontlines = 30m for xEXP/Marks +the same tomestones as 1 daily quest. But again, seeing as you'll see PvP progression doing nothing in Frontlines, why would it then be something you want to go after? Wolves Den didn't draw those people in, and it still wont. With progression destroyed as it now is, why would people suddenly want to progress? If it was a case of "Do Wolves Den to R25, then enter Frontlines to R40", it could have been perfect...

[Ragecake]

Said this plenty now, but that's something they should have addressed months ago.

Okay, so they didn't do anything or address the core of all the issue revolving pvp when it first came out. I mean, sure they could continued to let 4 SMNs queue together and everyone on the enemy team gets rekt AND they could have let SMNs res people. But they fixed that cause it was broken. They also made it mandatory for group compositions to be 2 dps (one melee one ranged) 1 healer and 1 tank. This was for balance issues obviously.

Even after these changes, Wolf's Den is still dead. There is no denying that and it's SE's fault for that.

What would you rather have? SE to not make anymore update to pvp? From all the complaining in these threads, it's like you guys would be happier if they would scrap Frontlines and made no future updates to pvp in this game. If that's not comical I don't know what is.

Edit: because you edited your post while I was making a new response post. gg wp forums

OK. Lets accept that for a minutes. You do Frontline to get into PvP, and that's some how going to make you want to try out Wolves Den? Why?

I DON'T KNOW?! Maybe because there will be new cool and interesting PvP modes and battlegrounds in this game in the future where Moral and PvP gear IS A FACTOR?!

This game is still young. Anything can happen and I'm pretty sure they have big plan for PvP in the future.

[Niroken]

I'd rather they listen to the community instead of hastily shoving Frontlines under the bus just a appease a few non-PvPers who'll drop the content in a few months.

How many is "a few non-PvPers".

[rappa]

There will be players who reach rank 40 without put a step inside wolves' den.

Frontlines will be a "wannabe pve carebears who want the war mount" and after that they walk in mor dhona "hey look at me, i am a pr0h".

IF the morale is a useful stat, you could choose fight into frontlines, where a not geared player can hide himself between a wall of players better geared, or fight in wolves' den with a party.

Then we will have two options to play pvp without long queue because there will be players who don't want be useless and play pvp more constant to get pvp gear. But now, with a useless stat, you don't need pvp, just queue, wearing full soldier gear, CT wear or other pve gear because you are synch. You don't need interest in pvp content.

[Ragecake]

Frontlines will be a "wannabe pve carebears who want the war mount" and after that they walk in mor dhona "hey look at me, i am a pr0h".

You seem like a cynical person who doesn't like people who enjoy PvE content in a PvE oriented game...

[Niroken]

Why not just add a forth stat to PvP gear then?

[Shake0615]

Why not just add a forth stat to PvP gear then?

That's been my argument this entire time. I couldn't care less if they toss out morale at this point, but it must be replaced with something that makes the gear earned in the Wolves' Den competitive. Otherwise every single piece of PvE gear of equal item level will be superior than xWolf gear in PvP. Either add in an extra stat or give meaningful set bonuses to pieces of PvP gear that only apply to Frontlines and the Wolves' Den.

[Ragecake]

...just a appease a few non-PvPers who'll drop the content in a few months.

You mean a lot of non-PvPers who might actually take actually take PvP serious after playing Frontlines. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's possible!

...but if they have any plans for PvP, now would be the time to share them.

Wtf? Who are you to decide whether or not it would be a good time to share news now about the future of PvP?

What do you think the point of 'Please look forward to it." don't you understand?

Yoshi-P even stated that he has many announcements he would like to share, but it doesn't want to share them all at once. Otherwise there wouldn't be things for player to by hyped over after each liveletter.

[rappa]

You seem like a cynical person who doesn't like people who enjoy PvE content in a PvE oriented game...

And you sound like a carebear pve who doesn't want punished by a pvp player in a pvp encounter

[Ragecake]

And you sound like a carebear pve who doesn't want punished by a pvp player in a pvp encounter

Not really. I mean, last I check I race changed from a cat to a Hyur, so I'm definitely not a bear.

Also! I wouldn't mind that either. It'll just motivate me to do pvp for pvp gear. As for now, Frontlines would motivate me to do pvp because pvp is fun. Destroying others in a game is a reward on it's own.