Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Donjo]

I'm still leaning towards a non-BiS distribution of materia for my Thyrus as I don't think the materia cost is worth the last few det that can be gained with BiS.

I'm sure there will be players calling me an idiot for not going BiS, but I don't really care.

Oh my god, Nyaano's Cure I's are healing for 2 less than everyone else's! Kiiiiiiick!

Because that will totally happen. /sarcasm

[Nekodar]

Oh my god, Nyaano's Cure I's are healing for 2 less than everyone else's! Kiiiiiiick!

Because that will totally happen. /sarcasm

I believe you know how people that strictly only look at stats can be... It would be more like "idiot! putting ss over det!"

[Zaiken]

Does anyone think it a good ideas to Put Crit + Det on Novus Curtana, then Parry + Accuracy on Novus Holy Shield?

[Donjo]

I believe you know how people that strictly only look at stats can be... It would be more like "idiot! putting ss over det!"

Point taken. But... of all the classes people think Spell/Skill speed hurts, the healers are the least affected, I think. Cure going out faster never hurt anyone, and it's not like you'll be casting it more often because of a lower GCD.

Does anyone think it a good ideas to Put Crit + Det on Novus Curtana, then Parry + Accuracy on Novus Holy Shield?

If you want a weapon compatible with current BiS lists that use High Allagan Gear, then you'll want at least 22-25 Accuracy on your Sword/Shield combo or you'll lose up to 40 Parry I think. I'd personally recommend going strictly Accuracy/Parry, but that's just coming from an idiot currently Tanking in the Second Coil who likes seeing (26% Parried) appear on damage numbers. Well, the ones the shield doesn't get! :P

[SirTaint]

Does anyone think it a good ideas to Put Crit + Det on Novus Curtana, then Parry + Accuracy on Novus Holy Shield?

As stated on the past few pages secondaries won't make or break any weapon.

Tanks can always use Acc and parry is the defensive secondary.

My DPS is very poor in coil2 when on PLD so I'm just going with Acc and parry myself. The 31 Acc will allow offensive swaps like noct head over HA.

If I ever get around to bravura novus I'll be going crit/det or Acc/det.

[Donjo]

As stated on the past few pages secondaries won't make or break any weapon.

Precisely, which is why the weapon is theoretically the best place to put any secondaries that don't really affect Damage, such as Accuracy, Parry, and Piety

[Kiara]

Hi All,

Great thread and thanks for everyone's contributions. Very helpful information.

@ SirTaint: If I may ask, why would you add Crit & Determination on the Bravura, over Parry & Accuracy? Are WAR's Accuracy capped naturally from High Allagan?

For Healer weapons (SCH and WHM), what are the recommended "ideal" add-ons and why? (haven't been keeping up with Healer in a while.)

Thanks!

[Erudain]

Oh my god, Nyaano's Cure I's are healing for 2 less than everyone else's! Kiiiiiiick!

Because that will totally happen. /sarcasm

Noooo....you out of you mind? that's totally not gonna happen...

OMG this guy has a Gae Bolg with +31det +22crti +22acc.....BiS is +31det +44crit....kick him

[Keres]

Does anyone think it a good ideas to Put Crit + Det on Novus Curtana, then Parry + Accuracy on Novus Holy Shield?

It basically doesn't matter as long as you're hitting the accuracy cap, and you're not putting skill speed on it. There are arguments in support of any/all of Crit/Det/Parry, and their impact is all equally minimal.

[Donjo]

Hi All,

Great thread and thanks for everyone's contributions. Very helpful information.

@ SirTaint: If I may ask, why would you add Crit & Determination on the Bravura, over Parry & Accuracy? Are WAR's Accuracy capped naturally from High Allagan?

For Healer weapons (SCH and WHM), what are the recommended "ideal" add-ons and why? (haven't been keeping up with Healer in a while.)

Thanks!

To try and answer the Warrior Question, there are people who believe that Parry is literally useless and the benefits to maximizing it just aren't worth the trouble. This is because they pour through statistics to find that, say, adding 44 Parry(An approx. 3% increase in Parry Rate according to the last theorycrafting I've seen on the subject) makes you take less than 1% less damage throughout the course of a fight(The numbers might be wrong but the point is that the benefit looks negligible when one looks at it this way). A Warrior is better at making big numbers than a Paladin and should thus ignore Parry and use secondaries to do more damage.

I personally disagree with this because Tanks shouldn't be stacking Parry for the "Hey, took X% less damage through that whole fight! Neat!" aspect. They should be stacking Parry for those situations where you're close to death and the healer(s) got you back up not because they were being awesome, but because you parried that one attack that would have killed you if something hadn't been done to reduce it. If you didn't have that extra 3% rate, you could have wiped. That's why I stack Parry; so it can save my life in individual situations.

To answer the healer question, Scholars want +44 Crit and, well, whatever. There's arguments for any other other stats, but I'd personally go for Piety. I know Scholars have little trouble managing their MP, but more MP never hurts because more Adlo never hurts... and some situations in the Second Coil can be made easier by judicious use of Succor. A full 31 Det will increase your average heal by... 3 or 4? Spell Speed will make them go out a little faster, and use your MP faster if you are DPSing.

White Mage BiS is 31 Det, 33 Piety, and 11 Spell Speed. I don't think anybody will question this unless even White Mages think Spell Speed is so detrimental that Crit is somehow better.

Noooo....you out of you mind? that's totally not gonna happen...

OMG this guy has a Gae Bolg with +31det +22crti +22acc.....BiS is +31det +44crit....kick him

I appended that comment with "/sarcasm", meaning I was being sarcastic. This means that I was actually saying that people shouldn't be persecuted for being slightly off BiS.