Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Fireseen]

Owned (I will laugh)?

Although I hate to be this guy, photo shop?

[Donjo]

Owned (I will laugh)?

Although I hate to be this guy, photo shop?

I don't think it's photoshop. There don't seem to be any signs of obvious manipulation.

http://imgur.com/Aehn0oy,bG1UgKT,3iIEWfc#0

Eat crow, doubters...

And there we go. Proof that the Novus breaks established i110 stat caps. I stand down.

As for you, is that comment really necessary? I thought that we were, insofar, being mostly civil about all of this. We had yet to specifically snipe at someone or throw insults around. But you just crossed that line.

In this entire discussion, we("we" being those who thought weights would apply) were being the reasonable ones. Even after identifying trends and making the theory based on systems that have been consistent through the game's entire life, we were the ones saying that "Yeah, it's possible that the weight cap can be broken, but we think this might happen too". We never once said "No, there's no way SE will let you break the stat caps. You're dumb for thinking that". You("you" being those who thought weights would not matter) were being unreasonable. You continually pushed aside our claims with circumstantial evidence. Even after countless calls of "stop arguing and just wait for someone to finish a Novus!" you kept whining that our theory was impossible and that it was silly to believe it could be true.

Meanwhile, we never claimed that this could never happen! We only claimed that it would be unbalanced if it did. Well, it did happen, and now there is an imbalance between an Novus with Determination/Piety and a Novus without them. Hopefully this news came in time to avoid upsetting too many people(especially White Mages!) who chose the "wrong" stats and may feel like they've wasted precious time with their current infusions.

Now, we may move on with our lives in Eorzea, knowing that we know everything we likely need to know about the Novus.

This one's for the OP

The stats on a Novus Weapon are exactly equivalent to the number of materia you infuse into each of your chosen stats. All are added in a 1:1 ratio, including Determination and Piety.

[Arkista]

I guess 3 friends did them all together http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...novus_weapons/

Congrats to those guys.

[Xine]

Um, the screenshot released with 2.28 CLEARLY showed that a sphere scroll had 44/31 infused on it and that the weapon would receive those exact stats.



You can meld up to 75 stat points (of 5 different types) on your Novus. Regardless of materia tier, it's 1:1. It's pretty damn clear if you've actually been following people who've been working on Novus.

Apparently you missed my point, can you stack 44 Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry and 31 of DETERMINATION or PIETY?

http://imgur.com/Aehn0oy,bG1UgKT,3iIEWfc#0 now this is what I was looking for, now that there IS confirmation on it, we can stop the annoying argument.

[ServerCollaps]

Apparently you missed my point, can you stack 44 Crit/Acc/SkS/SpS/Parry and 31 of DETERMINATION or PIETY?

http://imgur.com/Aehn0oy,bG1UgKT,3iIEWfc#0 now this is what I was looking for, now that there IS confirmation on it, we can stop the annoying argument.

yes, we can

[Kaze3434]

two of the novus owners are on cactaur. roxas starlght and yoon starlight

[Donjo]

two of the novus owners are on cactaur. roxas starlght and yoon starlight

Well, congrats to them, because holy schnikes that was fast!

[Gallus]

It's not as unbalanced as people are claiming it to be...it's a marginal bonus. It's not like you can take a super enormous advantage of this "stat weigh" thing by adding Determination and Piety to every Novus xD. The only job I can see that working is the WHM. Every DPS will want Crit + Det, SCH will either want Crit + Det or Crit + Piety. And tanks will probably go Parry Accuracy. So the only class that will arguably obtain the most bonus out of this " weigh unbalance" is the WHM.

[Tannlore]

Grats to them and I knew I was right on those stats. Makes me happy that the hard work you put into this weapon does infact pay off.

[Donjo]

It's not as unbalanced as people are claiming it to be...it's a marginal bonus. It's not like you can take a super enormous advantage of this "stat weigh" thing by adding Determination and Piety to every Novus xD. The only job I can see that working is the WHM. Every DPS will want Crit + Det, SCH will either want Crit + Det or Crit + Piety. And tanks will probably go Parry Accuracy. So the only class that will arguably obtain the most bonus out of this " weigh unbalance" is the WHM.

I'm complaining less about the strength of the imbalance but more about the fact that it exists at all. In fact, these secondary stats being on weapons makes them literally negligible no matter what they are. Weapon Damage provides so much of a weapon's "power" that the secondaries of weapons at this level of play are basically just... there. You are absolutely right; the bonus provided by this is so small that it's not worth kicking up a storm about it... which is kind of why I've just said I don't like it and left it at that.

To hopefully prove the point about secondaries on weapons not really mattering too much...

Let's choose a random Novus. Say, the Sphairai Novus. Everyone likes Monk. Here are what I think are the currently accepted weights for stats:

Weapon Damage: 8.73
Strength: 1
Crit Rate: 0.187
Determination: 0.332
Skill Speed: 0.187

Let's choose what people would probably think is BiS for a maximum damage Sphairai: 44 Crit and 31 Det.

51 WD x 8.73 = 445.23
42 Str x 1.0 = 42
44 Crit x 0.187 = 8.228
31 Det x 0.332 = 10.292

Total: 505.75.

The primary stats of WD and Str cover 487.23 of this number. The secondary stats of Crit and Det cover the last 18.52. In theory, the secondaries account for a mere 3.6% of this weapon's damage potential. I might be using these numbers wrong, but we also pretty much know for a fact that Weapon Damage trumps

While it's true that there are Jobs that won't want to take advantage of this, those that can aren't getting much. Only those who maximize Piety get a noticeable bonus, and that bonus benefits primarily only WHM and SCH. Yay MP.

Edit: Yes, I enjoy playing with numbers!