When to use Flare?

[NoctisUmbra]

More often than not, it's actually better to (Transpose - Fire III - Flare) than to use the double flare rotation anyway.

W-wait.. what? How can Transpose > Fire III > Flare ever be better than Transpose > Flare > Flare in an AoE environment. You have completely lost me there.

A BLM friend was using the flare only rotation, he got another friend (healer) to parse while we did a few Bray, both as BLM and equipped the same i90 gears and weap.

Apparently his dps was at least 100 less for the full duration of the DG.

That's basically impossible unless he messed up the Flare only rotation - which is not uncommon. I am also assuming these weren't dungeon instance-length parses, but rather parses of individual packs of AoE burns.

[scarebearz]

W-wait.. what? How can Transpose > Fire III > Flare ever be better than Transpose > Flare > Flare in an AoE environment. You have completely lost me there.

Usually after the Transpose the mobs will be under 20% hp, you wont get the 2nd flare off fast enough (it's faster to use Fire III right away on the first tick), so you'll only be hitting with a single flare under Astral Ice.

Again situational, but this situation is a very common one.

That's basically impossible unless he messed up the Flare only rotation - which is not uncommon. I am also assuming these weren't dungeon instance-length parses, but rather parses of individual packs of AoE burns.

They were full dungeon-legnth and 3 runs. He said his rotations were fine.

[NoctisUmbra]

They were full dungeon-legnth and 3 runs. He said his rotations were fine.

Dungeon-length parses are a horrible way to test anything.

I have my personal experiences, testing and the experiences and testing of all my friends, many of which are world-first tier players and very reliable sources backing up the fact that the Flare only rotation is significantly higher AoE DPS.

Even in the scenario that those dungeon-long parses were completely identical (to the timestamp) in every situation other than the AoE pulls, the only plausible reason left for your friend's observation would be improper use of the rotation.

[scarebearz]

Dungeon-length parses are a horrible way to test anything.

I have my personal experiences, testing and the experiences and testing of all my friends, many of which are world-first tier players and very reliable sources backing up the fact that the Flare only rotation is significantly higher AoE DPS.

Even in the scenario that those dungeon-long parses were completely identical (to the timestamp) in every situation other than the AoE pulls, the only plausible reason left for your friend's observation would be improper use of the rotation.

Your friends with "many world first tier" BLM main's on your server? lol

What's are their names? I expect I've heard of some if they were world first for the new coil.

Agree or disagree, you have no way to prove my use of AoE rotations is any worse or better than your single rotation. Just like I can't prove my opinion to be correct.

[NoctisUmbra]

Your friends with "many world first tier" BLM main's on your server? lol

What's are their names? I expect I've heard of some if they were world first for the new coil.

Agree or disagree, you have no way to prove my use of AoE rotations is any worse or better than your single rotation. Just like I can't prove my opinion to be correct.

Don't need to be a main to be good at a job. Especially not with relatively easy jobs like BLM or BRD.

I don't need to drop names. If you're so inclined, you're welcome to check my lodestone page and go from there. I only raised that point to suggest credibility in my sources compared to your story.

Ultimately, your final point is a good one. Do what you think works for you. Until a fight emerges where it really matters (perhaps another Turn 4 type instance), makes little difference anyway.