When to use Flare?

[Maero]

actually with 2 blm's in Bray Hm 2x flares would certainly not kill all mobs with 2x flare. Obviously some of you do not pull all enemies up to first boss door, lol
Using Fire 3> Fire 2> Fire 2> Flare> Convert> Flare> Mana pot> swiftcast flare with raging and qualling strikes of course, would kill all that is there.
And as to why some use Ice 3 at first, it is not so much for the speed increase to cast F3 but it is if they do a F2 rotation you get a extra fire or f2 in there.
That comment earlier about Mr. Happy said Transpose> Flare is better as it would hit all mobs, well sorry but if he said this truly, lol. Flare does have a certain radius in which it will hit enemies regardless.
My arguements was not that to continuation of a rotation because at some point you will need to use transpose i was simply stating that using Flare ( a Fire spell) when using transpose (bringing you to umbral ice) would be weaker then if under Astral Fire, which in point as why many also use the fire 2 followed my triple flare and then if enemies still remain you can use your transpose> insert rotation
Umbral Ice if i recall correctly is -10% dmg wise
At the end of the day it is true do what is best for either you or depending on party composition ( Bards with Foe Requiem does wonders as well)
Anyhow this thread sort of got lost and changed to rotations, i am sure the op has already moved on, lol
Truly things i imagine will change once more if/when they give blm a buff as while i hope it will not be the case but if they give us a buff flare may be the victim of getting nerfed

[ShinryuReishiki]

Fire II isn't bad at all.

Transpose -> Flare -> Fire II -> Flare is actually slightly higher DPS than without the Fire II. I typically include it unless going straight to the second Flare will kill for sure.

Fire III -> Fire II -> Fire II -> Fire II -> Flare is higher DPS than the above, but it requires more downtime to do repeatedly; by the time you have the MP to do it again, the DPS is reduced below the Flare only rotation. You would want to open with this, use up Convert/Mega Ether Flares, then begin the Transpose -> Flare -> Flare rotation if stuff is somehow still alive.

Starting off with Fire III -> Flare seems like it's a good idea because it is higher DPS than including the Fire IIs, but it's for such a short period that the actual result is less damage dealt.

Some numbers:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1817257

[scarebearz]

Agree with pretty much everything from the last 3 posters.

@NoctisUmbra As a Monk main, you may thing BLM is easy and that you know best, but to get top DPS for Coil2, Primal's etc, it actually does take a fair bit to master.

Using your method, how long does a full Bray run take on average, with a decent whm, war/pld and brd/blm?

[NoctisUmbra]

@NoctisUmbra As a Monk main, you may thing BLM is easy and that you know best, but to get top DPS for Coil2, Primal's etc, it actually does take a fair bit to master.

I have MNK as my main because I'm partial to it for casual reasons. I just think it's cool. Has a special place in my heart. Since early 1.0, however, I have always played and mastered all DPS classes/jobs to have the flexibility for all content. Also because that's what makes this game fun for me - mixing it up.

I have no real main. I main DPS. Getting top DPS in Coil 2 or Primals as a BLM doesn't mean you mastered your job. It means you were either better geared than the other jobs, or they had bad performance. You may very well be a master of your job, or maybe not.

Save for Garuda, all of the extreme primals (some more than others) put BLM at a disadvantage. Even when they don't, they are very much single-target heavy and BLM is closer to the lower end of the tier when it comes to single-target DPS - at least until 2.3. As for Coil2, all of the fights favor melee DPS heavily, save for T9 - in which case BRD and SMN do exceptionally well.

[Sanguisio]

more than 2 or more I would use flare

Do Fire 3 -> Flare transpose -> fire 3 -> fire 2 -> flare repeat
Once you get use to it, you can time it with the mana regen ticks to be constantly casting.

[Umero]

flare when mp tick happened 2 seconds ago.
flare when you have swiftcast and convert up.