I don't understand...

[Gormogon]

Politeness and humbleness is something that should go both ways, and it's entirely possible to give friendly advice without coming across as a jerk. The fact that you don't seem to believe it's possible is a little confusing, honestly.

"Can" go both ways. The fact that you and others jump to that assumptions simply because I ain't raising my pitchfork and torch is of no surprise to me.

In page 3 I said, "depending on the person can either lead to him hearing you out or taking it as a personal insult".

[Kerberon]

"Can" go both ways. The fact that you and others jump to that assumptions simply because I ain't raising my pitchfork and torch is of no surprise to me.

In page 3 I said, "depending on the person can either lead to him hearing you out or taking it as a personal insult".

And if they take it as an insult, they're in the wrong, and better off in single player titles. They're too sensitive to participate as adults in a recreational activity that involves other people. Maybe they're depressed, maybe they had a bad day, maybe who knows. But they are 100% in the wrong in that case and should not be in a group.

[Gormogon]

And if they take it as an insult, they're in the wrong.

So how many times has that methodology been working again? Since if it was threads like these wouldn't exists.

[Kerberon]

So how many times has that methodology been working again? Since if it was threads like these wouldn't exists.

Trolls exist.

[Tiggy]

Trolls exist.

Yup. Yet he never uses his words in a consistent manner to convey his real meaning, and the moment you produce a decent counter point he immediately turns to saying its us not understanding him and twisting his words.

Please don't feed the trolls.

[Cap75]

What can you do when they are undergeared then? Vote abandon? Sometimes that is the only option. But often the group can work around it. The cool downs can only handle so much and then they are on cool down. Bad pulls, I don't know how you can repeated do bad pulls on stuff like SV or less. If there are no speed runners the pulls are always the smallest allowed. The tank does need any more pressure from the peanut gallery. I'd rather have the group find a working solutions then try to dictate or order around the tank that is already under duress.

Bad pulls=pulling more than you can handle. Which can happen when the tank isn't aware of patrol mobs. Anyway, if the tank is utterly hopeless and won't listen your options are kick or abandon, yes. I'm not going to spend an hour on something that should take half that time because somebody doesn't want to learn thier role. If they're receptive I'll stick around. Otherwise? I can be doing something else.

[Gormogon]

Trolls exist.

Yet you go an party with them by choice. Way to troll yourself.

Bad pulls=pulling more than you can handle. Which can happen when the tank isn't aware of patrol mobs. Anyway, if the tank is utterly hopeless and won't listen your options are kick or abandon, yes. I'm not going to spend an hour on something that should take half that time because somebody doesn't want to learn thier role. If they're receptive I'll stick around. Otherwise? I can be doing something else.

That's usually how it is. Sadly the people here want to force some brick wall to suddenly sprout apples.

[Keres]

"Can" go both ways. The fact that you and others jump to that assumptions simply because I ain't raising my pitchfork and torch is of no surprise to me.

In page 3 I said, "depending on the person can either lead to him hearing you out or taking it as a personal insult".

I'm saddened, but not particularly surprised, that this is all that you chose to acknowledge out of my post. Have a nice day.

[Foo01]

... Sadly the people here want to force some brick wall to suddenly sprout apples.

This is so true. And they say it like it is just one or two more buttons. If were that easy, it would have already been done. Habits, routine, momemtum, knowledge (of/lack of) and whole slew of human factors is why they don't.

The bottom line is for people like the OP and threads like this: "why can't I find more players who play better like me?"

The answer is if they were better than you they don't want to play with you, the definition of the elitist ethos.

So what are you left with? Other players who can not be demanded to be so hardcore. So relax, get along, play for fun, not optimizing that last 0.x % of DPS.

[Cap75]

This is so true. And they say it like it is just one or two more buttons. If were that easy, it would have already been done. Habits, routine, momemtum, knowledge (of/lack of) and whole slew of human factors is why they don't.

The bottom line is for people like the OP and threads like this: "why can't I find more players who play better like me?"

The answer is if they were better than you they don't want to play with you, the definition of the elitist ethos.

So what are you left with? Other players who can not be demanded to be so hardcore. So relax, get along, play for fun, not optimizing that last 0.x % of DPS.

That's such a straw man it's ridiculous. Nobody has said any such thing. There's a big difference between a player who doesn't know what they're doing but trying and a player who doesn't give a shit. This whole thread has been about the latter.