Leviathan FC Progression Thread V4

[doa165]

pretty sure I'm done acknowledging anything to do with "commitment" and/or "get back in your FC groups and help them get the kill" or playing for more than 1 progression group when I have counted a total of 13 members between all 4 kills screenshots of a certain group.... jes' sayin

[Woona]

There is ZERO need to add even more clutter to the already long list of progression notes.

Kills confirmed "clutter".

Yes traditionally levi threads didn't have linkshells. But traditionally were linkshells beating FC's to top 5 kills? Prolly nottttttt.

Just take a second and look at this thread
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...read-Version-2

I don't see how that is at ALL cluttered and it's even counting guild groups.

I could bring up countless other progression threads that count LS's/multiple group kills that don't look cluttered at all. If anything, looking at those threads, all i see is how PATHETIC our server is.

[Sen_Terrechant]

Well the original thread was mostly FC progression.

Why not just create another thread with FC AND LS progression, or just LS progression. You have the format on the first page in this thread :3

[Logistical]

Well the original thread was mostly FC progression.

Why not just create another thread with FC AND LS progression, or just LS progression. You have the format on the first page in this thread :3

Should be kept together. Looking at Leviathan as a possible Transfer realm; it will look a lot more appealing. How gilgamesh handles it is amazing. We're suppose to be a community, not douche bags to each other.

[Erai]

I think the argument that Group 2,3,4, etc from whatever FC could easily just make a Linkshell and clear the content just for the personal recognition is a major reason why Linkshells shouldn't be allowed. If we allow linkshells, then we'd have to put multiple groups for FCs instead of just the FC - which is dumb.

There is ZERO need to add even more clutter to the already long list of progression notes.

Traditionally the Levi threads haven't included Linkshells, and the ONLY reason why this is even an issue AT ALL now is because the previous owner of the progression thread made a mistake.

Edit to add: The Gilgamesh format is beautiful, and EXACTLY how I imagine a progression thread should look. Leviathan should take a lesson.

@Berengaria:
Hence why there's a such thing as restrictions.
6 or more FC members = FC group.
Linkshells with 6 or more of the same FC members = FC group.

What you call "clutter" is the server being active. That's not a bad thing. You want to filter out a relative amount of 1st kills because of "clutter" ? That's one of the most idiotic things I've heard when it comes to a building an active raiding community. They didn't make a "mistake" at least you have no right to say whether they did or not - they made a conscious decision which can only be deemed a mistake by them and only them. They made their own post and opinion here, and it was actually quite insightful.

The fact of the matter is, when 2.2 came many raid groups got burnt out which lead to the making of quite a few raiding LS's. This will continue to happen, and the amount of LS's will continue to grow. The longer you delay showing their progression, especially if it is cutting edge, the amount of the raiding community cut off from public view will grow. Eventually, the push for LS to be credited will continue to grow until it is much heavier than the FC only push. With a new thread being made, this was just the time to start it. It just sounds to me like people care less about how active their community is, and how it is portrayed, and care more about where their group will stand overall.

"Clutter" = Visibly active community of raiders = bad apparently. That viewpoint just makes me hang my head in disappointment. Good on you, Gilgamesh.

[Ashenami]

When current progression is 50/50 LS and FC, why are we letting the 50% FC have a more dominant voice? In particular, letting Zachy and his GM, both of whom are banned from the forums, have influence over the way we are represented on said forums?


Nobody was upset when LS were added to the list initially.... but when LS's started to complete progression faster than FC's, then controversy suddenly rises?

[Berengaria]

Nobody was upset when LS were added to the list initially.... but when LS's started to complete progression faster than FC's, then controversy suddenly rises?

No one realized that they were added in the first place because the old thread was only updated once a week. They weren't labled as Linkshells on the list, the posts got buried so barely anyone noticed them, and the Linkshells slipped through the cracks. Seyvn said he made a mistake in adding the Linkshells and did not award them any further credit for kills. They weren't supposed to be there anyways - if anything it's because of this mistake that linkshells suddenly are latching onto this argument.

Also, 50% of the groups is TWO groups, and them being banned has literally nothing to do with anything. They may have been banned from the forums, but last time I checked you got kicked from the top FC on the server twice. (forum behavior vs actual game behavior?) Which is really worse when it comes to sharing your opinion about this sort of topic? It's a moot argument/point and not worth bringing up again.

EDIT: also yes, linkshells were able to progress faster than FCs considering that they didn't follow the rules of the progression thread. A lot of FC's vastly limited their raid hours so that they could have full FC groups instead of pugging people because they wouldn't get official credit with pugs - linkshells could do whatever they wanted because they weren't supposed to be able to get thread credit anyways. Your group cleared T8 with a pug outside of your static even, which went against two of the rules of the thread, but Sevyn didn't verify before adding you. A kill is a kill, grats, but the point of the thread is for friendly, structured, competition between FCs.

[PieIAm]

IDK why there is an issue. Doesn't this forum topic have the name of FC Progression? We should have a Linkshell Progression thread! Everyone wins!

Edit: This was already brought up btw. credit to whoever can read
http://youtu.be/XRGd0gD0QNE?t=29s

[Ashenami]

1. Really? Resulting to insults? As far as the two banned from here, It does have something to do with this. They're influencing how the forums is represented, when they can't even SEE it. Why is that?
I didn't want to make AUsraid times, and went social. After discovering I was in a linkshell raiding (at later hours, as I wished and was VERY open with the GM about), I was kicked. How is that poor in-game behavior?

2. After our T8 pug, I updated our post in the progression thread with kill proof of T6, T7, T8, and T9 with our static 8, as was required by the world progression thread.

There's plenty of footage of AU bringing in "pugs" for T9, and advertising their streams as "AU Progression".

[Erai]

Except it's LEVIATHANS community that chose to do FC only full clears way back when, when the majority of other servers account for linkshells, and as shown even Gilgamesh allows for multiple FC clears (via parenthesis next to the FC's name). We're arguing that LEVIATHANS way of doing things is not ideal at this current moment. We're arguing that the rules we're meant to play by are outdated, and we should adapt new rules like other servers have.

Again, get absorbed by GRADE? And do what to my friends, and my FC? As a core leader of the FC, that is NOT something I'd ever willingly do. We have different standards. Community/healthy relationships > Who is in what raid group, for us. To say I should get absorbed is nothing short of rude, since it would be abandoning the XIV branch of our FC which I have helped build and form since launch.

Just take a look at how amazing Gilgamesh's progression thread is, everyone on the server even multiple groups are accounted for, and it is not even remotely close to a mess. It shows off their entire raiding community, which once upon a time for Leviathan used to be our focus. When did that change? Do you people really care THAT much how your ranking will be affected if LS groups start getting accounted for? Gilgamesh is doing it right, by not being selfish.

Edit to add: 2 threads is unnecessary, "FC progress" "Linkshell Progress" "2nd groups progress" "female cat progress" ETC is all pointless and should not be separated. There should be 1 thread - the "Leviathan Progression Thread" where all kills on the server can be seen. This makes it so anyone trying to look at the raiding scene on our server can see EVERYTHING we as a server are capable of - not just a part of it.