Put the level on the Soulstone

[Joanna]

To add a few more points
- easier to learn new roles. a SMN unlocking and learning SCH is a lot easier of a transition than SMN to WHM
- helps players play different roles with one class leveled (see SMN + SCH)

So you saying that if SE decides to add new classes people will just get them at max level and have not even played them once is fun and that will help players to get better ? A player that been leveling up as a summoner going into a dungeon first time as a Scholar and don't know how to heal is fun and helps the player ? I don't even think that for a secound. That player will be vote kicked because he can't heal. And if that player had to atleast level a bit to have that job at max level he would have learned how it works and can handle it better then one that just get it at lv. 50 and never even played it. Don't you think ?

[AmyNeudaiz]

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You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

Aside from that, no I am not saying anything like in your post. First of all you have to play the job to fully unlock the job. You just don't get your soul stone for free. Second, yes going into duty finder and going as something you don't know how to play well is exactly how you learn how to play. This is how the SMN who is going as SCH for the first time learned how to be a SMN in the first place.

[Joanna]

You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

I never sad that I kick people but I have seen it. And then why do they have vote to kick people. And "playing the job" to unlock it! Yay! 4 quests realy makes you know the job. >< Yeah you learn to play your class/job by doing dungeon/dutys and stuff but do you not think that a player that been playing the class/job from lower level know the class/job better then one that get it by leveling a complet diffrent class/job ?

[Ominoussilence]

You seem like a rude person to kick someone out of a roulette because they aren't good at their role yet not to mention that's a bannable offense. You probably shouldn't do that.

Aside from that, no I am not saying anything like in your post. First of all you have to play the job to fully unlock the job. You just don't get your soul stone for free. Second, yes going into duty finder and going as something you don't know how to play well is exactly how you learn how to play. This is how the SMN who is going as SCH for the first time learned how to be a SMN in the first place.

And it isn't rude for the person who has zero idea how to heal to go in to a dungeon and waste 3-7 other people's time? It's entirely possible to have leveled to 50 as smn and go into a dungeon as scholar for the first time and be able to perform your job function. If the person hasn't bothered doing what they need to to be ready for that role it's perfectly acceptable to vote kick them.

[ssppiikkeeyy]

Old School FFXI player been and 1.0 been at start of both games.

I like the system and hate it, but from what i read Amy i never learned to play SCH, to be fair i was a main healer back in XI so i no the idea. but the quest u do never once did i need to learn to heal i just DPS my way threw the quest line. The NPC heal you so u don't need to learn and if you already no how to play SMN from levelling it up then you can easy DPS SCH threw the game like i did. Not Once was i forced to learn SCH. Tho SCH easy to learn any way so i don't see the prob with people learning it.

The system is nice in so many ways and others it ins't i do myself prefer the XI Class system. I was one of the 1.0 Players who voted against this system but still giving it a chance.

[AmyNeudaiz]

If the person hasn't bothered doing what they need to to be ready for that role it's perfectly acceptable to vote kick them.

No, it's not. There is no button for "Playing poorly" when kicking someone. There is "Offline" "AFK" and "Harassment". Being bad does not fit into any of those in DF.

If you were talking about a premade party where one person is making a run impossible, then it is acceptable to leave and remove them from the party but joining a DF to learn a role is not against any guidelines and is how many people learn their roles anyway. How do you expect people to learn different jobs? Leveling? That doesn't teach you much.

[Ominoussilence]

No, it's not. There is no button for "Playing poorly" when kicking someone. There is "Offline" "AFK" and "Harassment". Being bad does not fit into any of those in DF.

If you were talking about a premade party where one person is making a run impossible, then it is acceptable to leave and remove them from the party but joining a DF to learn a role is not against any guidelines and is how many people learn their roles anyway. How do you expect people to learn different jobs? Leveling? That doesn't teach you much.

The jobs really aren't that complicated. 5 mins on google will teach you enough about your job to be able to hold your own in a dungeon. I'm not saying you have to pull 300 dps to not get kicked, but if you don't know how to keep people alive (heals), or stay alive long enough for the boss to die in that content you should not be queuing for it. There are different levels of difficulty of content for a reason. Either queue for the easy ones or learn your job. Wasting multiple other people's times is rude and selfish of the person queuing for content they're not ready for.