Leviathan FC Progression Thread V4

[khmfdoom]

Again i stated its been for Fc's only its in the title of the post fc progression that means fc only always has been. Also has been stated that if you wanted a ls progression thread make one which you put fc and ls in the same one. To add to your comment about no one watching world progression more people look at that thread all over the world it gets way more hits then our servers small thread your in the top 30 world to down t9 that is way more recognition to your ls as well as the other linkshell that downed it on levi there is absolutely no reason to complain.

[Logistical]

Again i stated its been for Fc's only its in the title of the post fc progression that means fc only always has been. Also has been stated that if you wanted a ls progression thread make one which you put fc and ls in the same one. To add to your comment about no one watching world progression more people look at that thread all over the world it gets way more hits then our servers small thread your in the top 30 world to down t9 that is way more recognition to your ls as well as the other linkshell that downed it on levi there is absolutely no reason to complain.

Reason to complain is the achievement is there and it's being ignored, there is zero need for multiple threads. It's going to be an issue, and it's obvious that it has become one. I've already talked with Drex, as well as some of Asylums members have as well apparently. We'll see where it goes.

[Sevyn]

Oh Lord, what is this that's happening? I think everyone should take 2 steps back take a breath and relax... I knew something like this would be a touchy subject (One of the reasons I was like why not for adding the one linkshell to the progression thread 7 something 1 hyur -.-. If you look around there are some forum progression threads that do both but seperate them clearly, there's some that just mix them in, and there's some that I saw even merged a turn 5 2 FC kill (LOL). So there really is no clear standard as to who should be on a progression thread.

Personally I think It should be FC only as well, but I also don't think It's that big of a deal. If we allow linkshells to be on there it shows that we have way more excellent players then you'd see If we just showed FC only (Not everyone likes to leave their FC solely for progression in this game so many good players are in crappy FC's.) If anything I'd say make a seperate box for LS' with content clear so that it makes both sides happy. Remember not everything is black and white guys and both of you are right and wrong :P. Sorry for so abruptly announcing I'm stopping the progression thread. I've been extremely busy and won't have as much time to focus on the thread anymore. If anyone would like to discuss this with me further I'm sure I'll be online a bunch this weekend.

P.S - Give Drexxin some slack, keeping this thing updated is no joke (Your doing it because you love the community and game there is no reward).

[Berengaria]

If anything I'd say make a seperate box for LS' with content clear so that it makes both sides happy.

That is the same suggestion that i presented to Drexx as well, if he decides to include Linkshells.

[Eclips]

When you title a post "Leviathan FC Progression Thread V4," then plan to update it often, you're creating a reference and a tool for incoming players / people to reference to see which groups are the top on the server.

When you do something like exclude other top raid groups, because they don't fit in with your strict and made up requirements, you're deceiving the general player base into thinking that other groups / statics just aren't worth the time.

You're doing it wrong. Most people join a static group because they prefer their raid times over others. People have real lives to think about, and if they can only raid weekends, chances are they're not going to be in a "Top FC Progression Group," but very well be in a "Top Progression Group."

Point is, when the integrity of the thread is in question -- there simply shouldn't be one at all.

When the top FCs and the top Linkshell statics are 50/50 on the progression clears, don't exclude them. Include them. They're doing something that your free company is failing to achieve, and that's PROGRESS. The whole point of the thread--- without the silly FC requirement at the top.

So here are my proposed changes:

1. Recognize Linkshell's on equal footing, for the same progress and completion in a FC or:
2. Lower the requirements to count for a FC group to be a simple 5/8 static majority.

After all, it is just a tag, and these linkshells would even have more exposure if they were included on the progression thread. With more exposure, perhaps they'd be more likely to "tag up" for all of their kills.

[Lemon8or]

This thread has only been up for a day there's already 8 pages of discussion about including LS or not. In my view, there's literally no difference between them when it comes to progression. Want to show you have the capacity to clear something? Both checked. Want to boost recruitment for another static/substitute? Both checked. The only difference is FC uses FC chat and LS uses LS chat. And yeah that 15k start-out fee. Sounds like a scheme to boost shall-not-be-named FCs' e-peen tbh.

Mostly complete lack of commitment. My return question is if it doesn't pose an advantage or isn't easier either mechanically or emotionally, why don't the Linkshell players form an FC?

My LS's members are plenty committed to progression. We just have different views on how an FC should be and like different kinds of people.

[Thornwillow]

This progression thread was intentionally meant for people to post the progression their FC groups have obtained, and now it's filled with 7 pages of discussion that doesn't belong here. If you guys wanted to discuss your issues with this progression thread, you should have started a brand new thread altogether. Now that Drexxin has created this, he'll inevitably will need to create a new one to filter out all the unnecessary discussion.

And when people come to look at an updated Leviathan progression thread, then read all this squabble, it may turn them off of our server. We need to consider the health of the server as a whole.

[Logistical]

This progression thread was intentionally meant for people to post the progression their FC groups have obtained, and now it's filled with 7 pages of discussion that doesn't belong here. If you guys wanted to discuss your issues with this progression thread, you should have started a brand new thread altogether. Now that Drexxin has created this, he'll inevitably will need to create a new one to filter out all the unnecessary discussion.

And when people come to look at an updated Leviathan progression thread, then read all this squabble, it may turn them off of our server. We need to consider the health of the server as a whole.

If you want to talk about server health.

When the top FCs and the top Linkshell statics are 50/50 on the progression clears, don't exclude them. Include them. They're doing something that your free company is failing to achieve, and that's PROGRESS. The whole point of the thread--- without the silly FC requirement at the top.

-Lemon Nate

People seeing Leviathan has more people clearing out T9 means more transfer possibilities. Nobody is going to transfer just to join your FC if they have no chance at a spot in the clearing group. They would do it for your community which is nothing to do with progression. Same applies for a link shell. Simple as doing what I did in the other thread and pulling a [LS] at the end of a LS raid team. Confirm the 8 people like you would have to with a FC and be on your way. No need for a seperate box. Order the kills as the come. Ignore troll posts. Problem solved.

[Eclips]

I've tried to keep all of my posts productive and I'll continue with another point. One of the main arguments of the 8-FC only requirement is so that every 8 people that clear it don't come posting up their linkshell. I think that every turn 7 clear would be an influx of loads of players, but a requirement of t8 would be a good starting point to be on the progression thread. Later on, when most people are pugging t8, you can simply list the requirements as t9 only to be on the list.

I think that would alleviate a lot of the concern of just anyone coming in trying to gain recognition. Make the bare minimum requirement be a turn 8 clear with a majority free company 5/8. This would allow the people that may still need to recruit for their statics etc to bring people in of the same progression level to complete t9, as well as exclude all the people that pug t7 weekly.

This game, as well as this patch, have been released for a significant amount of time now. If you'd like to gain recognition for coil progression, then you should include the list of clears, in order, whether it is FC, LS, or a PUG. If you'd like to gain recognition for the other aspects that come with a FC, Ie the community, housing, etc, then make a FC recruitment post.

Further, all of these people are right, this thread is gone to shit and it's clutter. There's a reason for that. Make a new "Leviathan Server Progression Thread." Make a post advertising your FCs. Do not exclude half of the progression teams for the sake of your FC.

[Logistical]

I agree with this. I'm willing to snip out my thread and be done with it. I'm sorry but it isn't fair to snip out half of the servers top progression; I'm shocked a Moderator / Admin hasn't destroyed this already to be honest.