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    I got a similar reaction from Reddit derps.

    People are totally closed minded. Their logic is that tanking is about survivability and therefore survival stats should always take precedence over damage stats. Mathematical analysis is irrelevant. Actual end game experience is not required. VIT and Parry are king because it makes me tankier. Yeah, okaaay....

    In a different game, that may be true. This might have been true a patch ago too. But in SCoB, Warriors really don't need that much HP to comfortably survive.

    I wish more Warriors would realize that instead of blindly stacking VIT and Parry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    In a different game, that may be true.
    It's not true in *any* MMO that I've ever played. Once you've reached the point where it's extremely unlikely that you will die before getting a heal (~p < .05), more eHP is redundant because you're simply stacking it for progressively less likely scenarios. More damage is never redundant.

    Since the parry only comes on VIT gear, it could be argued that you will get the redundant VIT by stacking up mean mitigation (of which more is always better; you can never hit a point where further mean mitigation is redundant since freeing up resources, both GCD and MP, from healers means that those healers can do other stuff, like attack); the problem with this is that you lose very little parry when gearing for damage (since a lot of parry comes on your leftside tank gear) compounded further by the fact that, point for point, parry doesn't really do all that much. On top of this, STR actually does increase your mean mitigation by increasing the value of your parry/block so it's not even a purely offensive stat.

    As such, there's a very compelling argument for devoting at least some of your accs to STR gear. How much should be devoted to it depends largely upon your healers (if your healers are spot on or you've got a SCH that reliably keeps an Adloq rolling on you, you can likely get away with absolutely no VIT accs), but it's completely fallacious to say that Parry and VIT are absolutely king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    It's not true in *any* MMO that I've ever played. Once you've reached the point where it's extremely unlikely that you will die before getting a heal (~p < .05), more eHP is redundant because you're simply stacking it for progressively less likely scenarios. More damage is never redundant.
    By "that may be true", I was referring to the idea of always prioritizing max HP over damage, given the available gear options. I haven't played every game, but I'm sure there are games out there where the tank needs to be as tanky as possible and has no room to compromise Max HP for damage output.

    The popular opinion among Warriors in this game is that VIT and Parry are king. Bear in mind that the vast majority of tanks in this game just follow conventional "wisdom". Opo-opo see, opo-opo-do.

    The informed, logical, and mathematically sound opinion among Warriors who have the smarts and experience is...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTank View Post
    Bottom line is:

    Wars
    - have enough hp to tank whatever it is you're tanking.
    - all other points and stats into DPS.
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    Last edited by bokchoykn; 05-23-2014 at 02:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    I got a similar reaction from Reddit derps.

    People are totally closed minded. Their logic is that tanking is about survivability and therefore survival stats should always take precedence over damage stats. Mathematical analysis is irrelevant. Actual end game experience is not required. VIT and Parry are king because it makes me tankier. Yeah, okaaay....
    All STR is definitely the way to go. I think a lot of people are just afraid to try tanking with the lower hp ... but I can say from experience, you mitigate dmg wearing the STR gear and tanking aggressively and getting the mobs down as fast you can than you ever will stacking parry, not to mention the other aspects of the fight you make easier like snap aggro and making the fight shorter with the extra dps. I tank SCoB with all STR accessories and +30 in attributes and I'll never go back to VIT.
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