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    Player
    Ooshima's Avatar
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    Warriors can take it one step further and use their defensive cooldowns as offensive cooldowns. Dropping Defiance and popping defensive cooldowns is like having Unchained up. It's safe to do as long as aggro is solid and as long as you know that you won't need these cooldowns (defensively) within the next two minutes.
    Yup, been toying around with a STR build WAR (I main a BRD and alt a PLD) with i70 DPS accessories and respected 30VIT to 30STR, the difference is clearly noticeable in in dungeons and coil1. Hate shouldn't be much of an issue as I've noticed I could easily rip hate off a similarly geared PLD in shield oath. Last night I did a critical BB @ 1250 dmg without in defiance mode and it ripped hate off a i90+ PLD in shield oath stance.

    Still learning how to WAR, but as long as you survive, a STR build WAR is pretty amazing.
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    Cross Tia
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Actually i can agree kukurumei:
    STR build is good for perfect runs. Where every healer does right and WAR puts all CD on right time. You need to be flawless. I think STR build can be good for perfect teams, where everyone knows perfect what to do. VIT is good for team where errors can happen. I don't believe that you can beat Titan Extreme on first run, without echo on STR build with medium-good party. Even on full VIT it's hard fight.

    After all this game is greatly party-based and you should allocate your stats depending on whole group. I dont feel so safe yet to respect to full STR because VIT gives me more time to react for things. I don't like to stay with 1k HP praying for some healing.
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    Valkyrie Wolf
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    Lamia
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    Lancer Lv 50
    WAR abilities are primarily Strength based (inner beast and storm path) and become less effective when only putting points in Vit. You also don't have a shield and can only parry attacks (parry damage reduction is based off Strength). It makes no sense to me to put any points into Vit, it makes your WAR less effective.
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    Skull_Angel's Avatar
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    Leon Solitario
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ERob3000 View Post
    WAR abilities are primarily Strength based (inner beast and storm path) and become less effective when only putting points in Vit. You also don't have a shield and can only parry attacks (parry damage reduction is based off Strength). It makes no sense to me to put any points into Vit, it makes your WAR less effective.
    You would still want to stack enough VIT to comfortably survive high damage attacks/phases that will effect you, but once you get to that point there isn't much point in stacking more VIT. Personally, I find that just over 8k HP is a good place for content I'm currently running (Head tank for Levi EX is probably the highest damage event I tank atm), but I do keep VIT options available for running progression on anything new my group may want to try.
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    Iam Groot
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 60
    Skull_Angel's approach is the appropriate one. Switching out Vit gear for Str gear as it suits you/and considering the fight and content that is in front of you.
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    Teresa Faintsmile
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 50
    You probably need about 9k to tank T9, few ravens in phase 0, ghosts at the start of the actual fight (they do hit like trucks), finally picking up if MT derps. 80% of the time youre a gimped DPS, so I dont see any reason to stack parry or vit.

    For progression though like most ppl here, stack vit, cuz it helps healers tremendously even if you dont realize, an extra GCD here and there makes alot of difference.

    Our warrior uses STR acc on our clears, so if your healer thinks its okay to drop a few hundred HP for tighter GCDs, then do it.
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    Layla Bell
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    You probably need about 9k to tank T9, few ravens in phase 0, ghosts at the start of the actual fight (they do hit like trucks), finally picking up if MT derps. 80% of the time youre a gimped DPS, so I dont see any reason to stack parry or vit.

    For progression though like most ppl here, stack vit, cuz it helps healers tremendously even if you dont realize, an extra GCD here and there makes alot of difference.

    Our warrior uses STR acc on our clears, so if your healer thinks its okay to drop a few hundred HP for tighter GCDs, then do it.
    both of my T9 clears i've only had 7.4k hp in defiance - there's honestly very little reason to even bring a second tank to begin with once your paladin is 8k+.

    i guess that's an argument for another thread, though.
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    Cross Tia
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Parry is affected by STR but its like +1% parry for every 40 STR. YET without fending accessories you parry less often. So its stronger parry vs more parry.
    Ideal would be Full Vit build (base+ gear +accessories) for harder fights and MIX of Vit (base) and Str (accessories) for easier content. Im running it like this, loosen VIT to 500 and up STR +40 and really...i don't see much difference
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    Bloodclaw Talon
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    Hyperion
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Go Vitality. STR alternatives are on the Fring of how they are working. Keep a set of STR accessories for when its needed. yes Coil 1-5 are easier now, but you will need the VIT for 6-9.
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    Go Vitality. STR alternatives are on the Fring of how they are working. Keep a set of STR accessories for when its needed. yes Coil 1-5 are easier now, but you will need the VIT for 6-9.
    The testimony of several WARs in this very topic says otherwise. Unless you're MTing because of 2 WARs, you're not getting hit by much of anything in 7 or 8. 6 tickles at worst. People have done 9 without a 2nd tank at all.
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