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  1. #81
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    NightReach's Avatar
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    Teresa Faintsmile
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 50
    You probably need about 9k to tank T9, few ravens in phase 0, ghosts at the start of the actual fight (they do hit like trucks), finally picking up if MT derps. 80% of the time youre a gimped DPS, so I dont see any reason to stack parry or vit.

    For progression though like most ppl here, stack vit, cuz it helps healers tremendously even if you dont realize, an extra GCD here and there makes alot of difference.

    Our warrior uses STR acc on our clears, so if your healer thinks its okay to drop a few hundred HP for tighter GCDs, then do it.
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  2. #82
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    klops's Avatar
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    Layla Bell
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by NightReach View Post
    You probably need about 9k to tank T9, few ravens in phase 0, ghosts at the start of the actual fight (they do hit like trucks), finally picking up if MT derps. 80% of the time youre a gimped DPS, so I dont see any reason to stack parry or vit.

    For progression though like most ppl here, stack vit, cuz it helps healers tremendously even if you dont realize, an extra GCD here and there makes alot of difference.

    Our warrior uses STR acc on our clears, so if your healer thinks its okay to drop a few hundred HP for tighter GCDs, then do it.
    both of my T9 clears i've only had 7.4k hp in defiance - there's honestly very little reason to even bring a second tank to begin with once your paladin is 8k+.

    i guess that's an argument for another thread, though.
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  3. #83
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    CrossSleet's Avatar
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    Cross Tia
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    Zodiark
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Parry is affected by STR but its like +1% parry for every 40 STR. YET without fending accessories you parry less often. So its stronger parry vs more parry.
    Ideal would be Full Vit build (base+ gear +accessories) for harder fights and MIX of Vit (base) and Str (accessories) for easier content. Im running it like this, loosen VIT to 500 and up STR +40 and really...i don't see much difference
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  4. #84
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    Bloodclaw's Avatar
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    Bloodclaw Talon
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    Hyperion
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Go Vitality. STR alternatives are on the Fring of how they are working. Keep a set of STR accessories for when its needed. yes Coil 1-5 are easier now, but you will need the VIT for 6-9.
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  5. #85
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    Seravi Edalborez
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bloodclaw View Post
    Go Vitality. STR alternatives are on the Fring of how they are working. Keep a set of STR accessories for when its needed. yes Coil 1-5 are easier now, but you will need the VIT for 6-9.
    The testimony of several WARs in this very topic says otherwise. Unless you're MTing because of 2 WARs, you're not getting hit by much of anything in 7 or 8. 6 tickles at worst. People have done 9 without a 2nd tank at all.
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  6. #86
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    Aiel's Avatar
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    Aiel Waste
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    I got a similar reaction from Reddit derps.

    People are totally closed minded. Their logic is that tanking is about survivability and therefore survival stats should always take precedence over damage stats. Mathematical analysis is irrelevant. Actual end game experience is not required. VIT and Parry are king because it makes me tankier. Yeah, okaaay....
    All STR is definitely the way to go. I think a lot of people are just afraid to try tanking with the lower hp ... but I can say from experience, you mitigate dmg wearing the STR gear and tanking aggressively and getting the mobs down as fast you can than you ever will stacking parry, not to mention the other aspects of the fight you make easier like snap aggro and making the fight shorter with the extra dps. I tank SCoB with all STR accessories and +30 in attributes and I'll never go back to VIT.
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  7. #87
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    Zdenka Vaera
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    Excalibur
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    Goldsmith Lv 60
    Have changed from full VIT to hybrid str/vit to clear T9 and now full Str. Will probably go back to full VIT for 2.4's next ilvl jump as survivability usually is much better when learning a fight.

    Also having WAR do more DPS is in part which helped us have 2 groups clear turn 8 on week 1 as we used 2 tanks instead of 5 DPS on both with ilvl90 gear. (next turn 8 clear was like...6? days later from the next FC... its that DPS o.o)

    WAR should do somewhere around 140-180 DPS in full VIT gear and can do about 300 when in full STR gear/out of Defiance. (usually it comes down to about 240-250 if you are doing tank swaps... but if you aren't you should just bring another MNK anyways)

    Its a significant difference having your OT do 100-120 more DPS.


    I have full left side besides for feet (ilvl100 instead of 110) and have 8220 HP with food/VIT buff. Nothing really will "kill me" unless the healers aren't paying attention or a buff is missed, but with how EXTREMELY predictable the hardest hitting fight in the game T9 is, it is very difficult to miss a buff. (523 STR, 480 VIT out of a party right now ilvl103 mostly cuz right side is all 90s)
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  8. #88
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    Soul Vigil
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    Siren
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Whos says you have to go full on either. Been 20 VIT 10 STR from day 1 and I have done it all with out changing stats even once. A solid mix is def the best way to go as a WAR.
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  9. #89
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    Halloween Candy
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    Sargatanas
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    Weaver Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Soul_Vigil View Post
    Whos says you have to go full on either. Been 20 VIT 10 STR from day 1 and I have done it all with out changing stats even once. A solid mix is def the best way to go as a WAR.

    how do you know if you've never tried anything else? Are you sure that 300 hp has been essential to your skills as a warrior? And you believe the extra hp is best for all warriors?
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  10. #90
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    Layla Bell
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Soul_Vigil View Post
    Whos says you have to go full on either. Been 20 VIT 10 STR from day 1 and I have done it all with out changing stats even once. A solid mix is def the best way to go as a WAR.
    no, whatever stats the encounter you're fighting needs is the "best way to go as a WAR."

    tell your statics to pass darklight gear from sol runs to you so you can afford stat respecs for different encounters. the more your static's gear rises, the less you need to tank as WAR and the more you can let your PLD solo tank. eventually, you can afford to stay 30 STR for every SCoB encounter.

    i haven't equipped VIT gear in weeks. it all depends on your group's item level.
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    Last edited by klops; 06-14-2014 at 04:20 AM.
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