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Thread: BLM Buffs Inc!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathscythe343 View Post
    Another option could be to change the Firestarter proc entirely. Instead of making it an instant cast DD, change it to a dot that gets applied when you crit. Dot ticks for 8secs for x, where x is the amount you crit for.
    I'd love to see some on-Crit effects. There's no reason to worry about any secondary stats as BLM, it's very boring. The ONLY job in the game that benefits from a secondary stat is a SCH.
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    How about just decreasing the cast time of fire 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darxer View Post
    I'd love to see some on-Crit effects. There's no reason to worry about any secondary stats as BLM, it's very boring. The ONLY job in the game that benefits from a secondary stat is a SCH.
    And a Bard crit hits on their dots reset blood arrow. I've literally fired 7 blood arrows in a row because of this
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    Black Mages can do 370 DPS when standing still? I do 340 on a striking dummy with iLVL 99 gear. I know my class well. I use aetherial manipultion, I move as little as possible, I manage my procs well, use the few cooldowns we have effectively and such ...
    370DPS is what Monks do, so don't even start on it. If you get 370 DPS, either your bard is playing Requiem all of the time or you are using potions like it's mad (poison and intelligence).
    I by the way play both Summoner and Black Mage. On average, I get 30-40 more DPS out of my summoner. Especially on turn 6-7. It's actually even funny how on T8, where I would stand still most of the time with my BLM, I'd still get more DPS on my Summoner.
    People who claim that the BLM doesn't need a buff don't have any idea what they are talking about.
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    Im sure a good chunk of the people claiming to do such high dps are either very VERY geared, while using every kind of pot and food available, with very mana efficient healers, and the bard is their best friend playing Foe's as much as possible.

    Or... people are just noting their burst numbers... Which has happened quite a lot with BLM players.

    I for one, would like to see, on Reddit, a simple screenshot of a person's gear/stats (to confirm Ilvl and Weapon), as well as a FULL parse, not some small segment, merge all relevant segments together and show me a screenshot for the whole fight.
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    ^^ agreed with above posts
    And yes i also think decreasing cast time at least for me would be a good start
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by ViviAnimus View Post
    Black Mages can do 370 DPS when standing still? I do 340 on a striking dummy with iLVL 99 gear. I know my class well. I use aetherial manipultion, I move as little as possible, I manage my procs well, use the few cooldowns we have effectively and such ...
    370DPS is what Monks do, so don't even start on it. If you get 370 DPS, either your bard is playing Requiem all of the time or you are using potions like it's mad (poison and intelligence).
    I by the way play both Summoner and Black Mage. On average, I get 30-40 more DPS out of my summoner. Especially on turn 6-7. It's actually even funny how on T8, where I would stand still most of the time with my BLM, I'd still get more DPS on my Summoner.
    People who claim that the BLM doesn't need a buff don't have any idea what they are talking about.
    I am i100 (1 ilvl higher than you), 340-350 on a dummy, for 11 minutes, without using potions, seems fine to me (it's what I do). But then of course factor in Party boost to INT, Foe Requiem, AND INT pots should you choose to use them, and it is no great feet to push another 30+ DPS, not sure why you seem to think its so impossible

    T6 - 330+ (I usually run around 340)

    T7 - 300 +/- 20 or so DPS This is certainly my least favorite turn for BLM depending on RNG, I tend to get a seemingly unfair amount of cursed gazes and shrieks lol,

    T8 - 370+ (I usually run around 385) Subtract 30ish DPS if you are on double mine duty, add if your party gives you no responsibility (I currently Do 4 tower activations and ballistic missile - downtime is largely reduced to none with use of sprint, procs, and Aetherial manipulation)

    My party's bard does not *love* me lol, he does what most bards do, foes for pull, foes for each dreadnaught. I use Ether pots, not INT on 8.

    Your "OMG 370 is only possible by MNK, BLM can never do this" is pretty absurd, it's quite easy to accomplish this on T8, if you are doing 390+ on your SMN at same ilvl, that's awesome, and I certainly agree that they are capable and largely should be doing more than BLM on every fight, but when you are comfortable with each fight BLM can put out pretty respectable numbers.

    370 was OLD Mnk dummy 5min+ parsin, they are well above 400 now, all classes dmg has increased with gear, not sure why you are still stuck on old numbers as current maximums

    I'm all for a change or buff or whatever they plan to do, it will just make it even better, but it's far from being broken, or massively underpowered as it is now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenji1134 View Post
    Im sure a good chunk of the people claiming to do such high dps are either very VERY geared, while using every kind of pot and food available, with very mana efficient healers, and the bard is their best friend playing Foe's as much as possible.

    Or... people are just noting their burst numbers... Which has happened quite a lot with BLM players.

    I for one, would like to see, on Reddit, a simple screenshot of a person's gear/stats (to confirm Ilvl and Weapon), as well as a FULL parse, not some small segment, merge all relevant segments together and show me a screenshot for the whole fight.
    I will do this for you tonight after raid.
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    Last edited by xEscaflownex; 05-22-2014 at 05:59 AM.

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    I could live with Fire I being insta-cast. Nice DPS increase with Firestarter checks, and heavy movement would go from a ridiculous loss of DPS to acceptable levels. If we got say a 10% DPS increase from buffs that'd be fine, we'd be in line with SMN sustained DPS. SMN would have the multi-DoT advantage, battle resurrection, and superior utility, BLM would have on-demand burst, AoE, and shielding skills; that's balanced enough for me. There's absolutely no reason SMN should do more sustained than BLM with all their advantages, and then when translated to a real fight either stay the same or make that gap even further.

    Here's how T9 plays out (slightly over dramatized!) in the later phases:

    Sleigh Presty gets targeted by Fireball, move out!
    Sleigh Presty gets targeted by Thunderstruck, move to the rear!
    The group gets targeted by Fireball, move out!
    Sleigh Presty gets targeted by Thunderstruck, move out!
    Iron Chariot goes out, move out!
    Sleigh Presty gets targeted by Fireball, move out! Sleigh Presty uses Aetherial Manipulation; his target had Thunderstruck! Move out!
    Stack with the group for Thermal!
    The group gets targeted by Fireball, move out!
    Sleigh Presty gets 10 seconds to attack boss!
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 05-22-2014 at 07:05 AM.

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    Instant Fire would be nice, even better if Firestarter procs could be calculated at spell completion, not spell landing.
    We would need to find something to do with Scathe though, as it'd become completely useless when you're in AF, and barely useful in UI.

    Still, Instant Fire 1, maybe even Instant Blizzard 1, and we can drop Scathe for a short cooldown DPS buff, and use the Scathe trait increase its effect, like DRG..
    Then raise the bonus from AF3 to 2.0x and we are set.
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    Last edited by Kenji1134; 05-22-2014 at 07:22 AM.

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    Personally, I don't believe anything you say, Esca. I know for a fact that Monks get 350-380 DPS. How do I know this? Because I am in an Extreme selling group and I often play with the best players on my server. EoS, Eve, FURY, ExG ... and what you say is absolute nonsense. I'm sorry, but I can't believe it. I have done every single thing and thought about every single thing to maximize my dps. You're telling me that you get 330 DPS+ on T6? That I find hard to believe seeing as in that fight is highly mobile. So you will tell me that you do 340 DPS stationary? And on a highly mobile fight you do 330+ or usually 340 on T6? That alone makes me think that you lying. Sure, you get the party buff and there is perhaps some requiem, but it's still very very unlikely. BLM gets punished the most for moving around and the DPS drop is insane! I say, you send me a video or picture where it is parsed. Haha, maybe your parser is broken. But I would want a video of you pulling 340 DPS on T6. I can not believe that there is such a gap between you and me when I know of myself that I am a very good Black Mage. I'd like to see you play once in a while. Forgive me for being sceptical about your claims. I demand a video.
    Well, the T6 is maybe more legit if you don't run to thorns and do that cheap tactic. But I mean, your claim on T7 as well. The best summoners I've played with almost don't even pull that off.
    Well, Yes, another factor might be if you have the level 110 weapon. Do you?
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    Last edited by ViviAnimus; 05-22-2014 at 07:54 AM.

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