with this mindset the future looks dim

[Logo]

OP Snip

You know it might be easy to cruise control through other content with the Duty Finder, but going into an 8 man raid its kind of silly.
The mechanics are generally a little more complicated in Coil and a 3 min video can save you 90 minutes of wiping and frustration.

If figuring it out on your own is what your after,
you should be using PF for your specific needs.

Duty Finder is a great tool for matching people to do content quickly.
Doing any kind of raid content in an MMO always entails research.

People use Duty finder as a crutch to not learn content and get carried through.
At one point that hits a wall. That is generally Titan EX and/or Coil.

Going into these encounters blind is really just throwing time away.

TL/DR?

[tymora]

I used to spend 15 min explaining to new players every turn 4 run back in 2.0/2.1, before I made a dependable static.
TBH it did get old fast.
- Put it this way: It is not an obligation for other players to explain a fight to you.

Now we're at an impasse: As much as we have no right to make others learn about a fight before the fight, we also have no right to demand people teach us about a fight.
- In other words, it is up to you to be nice to others or if you want to demand others to be nice to you.

From this perspective, no one is really right or wrong.

[Luxx]

I understand asking questions, asking for clarifications, but full on going in and asking what to do is just.. I don't even know how to describe it.

You're still taking the time to explain it.
Well, you cannot force one to watch a video, nor can you force one to tell you what to do, or explain.
We still have people doing T1 for example, screwing up 100 million times
and people just reiterate. I still explain to people anyways just because I guess I'm nice enough to do so.
Also, not going to apologize for not watching a video. Wtf? lol.

This.

OP is basically expecting other players to do what they could have done for themselves. No one can demand that others teach them, especially strangers in duty finder. As it is no-ones obligation to explain every mechanic. Especially when that information is freely available.

No one is obligated to watch a video neither.
So now what lol.

[LalaRu]

Going into these encounters blind is really just throwing time away.

Did you mean, the first FC going into an encounter just released, will have to hack the SE code to know how it works before doing it?

[rhemi1]

Did you mean, the first FC going into an encounter just released, will have to hack the SE code to know how it works before doing it?

Apples to oranges. Going in blind when there's nothing to learn from but the encounter itself is expected and necessary. Going in blind on 6+ month old content with several hundred videos and guides that many players DF to gear up alts and have likely done a gazillion times is not expected or necessary. Do the 7 other people in your group a favor and at least know what to expect. If you don't want to do that, make a PF group specifically for learning.

[Logo]

Did you mean, the first FC going into an encounter just released, will have to hack the SE code to know how it works before doing it?

FC is most likely going in as a static with mumble/vent/TS
so yeeeaaaahhh
Thank you, drive through.

[razzgrizz3]

you are steping foot in the top tier content as far as mechanics go. it is simply rude to the other 7 people (some of which are dps and dont get insta qeues like you do) not to look it up. this is not content you can just wing. if you are doing that you are geting caried esentialy.

i think they way to partialy solve this would be to simply implement a filter for the df (and pf as well) like "only look for players who cleared it". the systems checks if the player has beat it and matchmakes aproprietly. that way op and his ilk will get all the fun to learn it by themselves and not "degrade themselves" and look it up just like us dirty peasants.

[Sapphic]

I just don't understand one thing, people talk about experiencing content and exploring, but they go in asking the party for an explanation on what to do, so what is the difference between looking it up beforehand and having someone write down to you what you would have looked up?

This.

OP is basically expecting other players to do what they could have done for themselves. No one can demand that others teach them, especially strangers in duty finder. As it is no-ones obligation to explain every mechanic. Especially when that information is freely available.

I've also seen people get ripped if they didn't play a job the way someone else does (or like earlier was just told they "sucked at your job" but no advice whatsoever) then looked up the character and found they "MIGHT" have it unlocked but that's it, here's an idea instead of ripping on someone give advice, and not cut them down.

There are numerous guides available out there on all the jobs with info on how to improve. I'm happy to give pointers where I can. But, in mot cases, what I'm telling them is the same info as what is in the aforementioned guides that they could have easily accessed on their own initiative. You can't expect everyone else to do something you should have and could have done for yourself.

[Dashuto]

All hope is lost.

I knew this anyway though.

[Miitan]

Did you mean, the first FC going into an encounter just released, will have to hack the SE code to know how it works before doing it?

Going into fight where no one knows what to do != going into a fight where everyone else knows what to do.