Archer auto-attack (Yes, please.)

[Richard]

Which is the problem. They're giving archer a mechanic they should under no circumstance be using.

they used it before, it worked well. they're using it now, it will work well. Get over it.

[Corrderio]

they used it before, it worked well. they're using it now, it will work well. Get over it.

Oh you're right. Of course a class that excels in ranged damage will have a decent output with a bare hand.

/sarcasam

Also, explain how it "worked well" in XI unless you had a K.Club after the RNG adjustment in XI.

[Physic]

Oh you're right. Of course a class that excels in ranged damage will have a decent output with a bare hand.

/sarcasam

Also, explain how it "worked well" in XI unless you had a K.Club after the RNG adjustment in XI.

the point is not that they will have great damage up close, its just like, rng doesnt really need AA, but if you really want to, you can go up close and impersonate a meleer.

they dont expect ranger to use it much.

[Wynn]

they dont expect ranger to use it much.

^This. Who really says they want to be an archer so they can go up to the enemy and stab them in the face? If you want to go all stabbity, play a gladiator.

[Richard]

Oh you're right. Of course a class that excels in ranged damage will have a decent output with a bare hand.

/sarcasam

Also, explain how it "worked well" in XI unless you had a K.Club after the RNG adjustment in XI.

Ranger was nerfed in 2003 and then finally made a comeback in WOTG and is heavily used in Abyssea w/o K.Club. That had absolutely nothing to do with auto-attack but broken items/mechanics in FFXI. Good try though.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

no one talks in this game and ppl barely talk in parties in ffxi already.

I like manual attacking things. an archer doesn't need an auto attack he should only fire off arrows everyso often not spaming it. So there is time for an archer to communicate. But again bigger issue is no one talks in or out of parties

[Renshi]

no one talks in this game and ppl barely talk in parties in ffxi already.

I like manual attacking things. an archer doesn't need an auto attack he should only fire off arrows everyso often not spaming it. So there is time for an archer to communicate. But again bigger issue is no one talks in or out of parties

Hahah! You don't know the sh*t we talk while we party, or simply talk outside, us people in Mysidia! =D

[Corrderio]

Ranger was nerfed in 2003 and then finally made a comeback in WOTG and is heavily used in Abyssea w/o K.Club. That had absolutely nothing to do with auto-attack but broken items/mechanics in FFXI. Good try though.

Sorry I quit that crap game over a year ago, so don't expect me to keep up to date with something I have no interest in.

[Vanguard319]

I'm basing this off of the AA video and the way XI worked, which is to say that I don't think buff stacking would really be a problem anyway in XIV. Just hit your buttons in order and then hit your WS, or use a macro (I expect the UI tweaks will speed macro execution up). Take SATA for example - the only reason it was difficult to do in XI without a macro is because you'd have to get in the WS menu before an attack round hit. Rather than use a full SATA WS macro, I often just kept a SA+WS macro, and activated TA and then the macro.

Delay on bows and guns is likely to remain one of the longer delays in the game, so there should be sufficient time to set up a stacked WS before an attack round fires.

As it is though, it's an issue that would impact melees just as much as archers, so it's not necessarily relevant to ranged auto-attack.

congratulations! you have defeated your own argument for AA with the FFXI comparison, because neither ranger, nor corsair had auto-attack on thier respective ranged weapons, even though both jobs were considered primarily ranged combat classes. The devs recent explanations for this, and why arc won't get a melee subweapon shows they know what they are doing in regards to the new battle engine far more than you do.

[Vanguard319]

Hahah! You don't know the sh*t we talk while we party, or simply talk outside, us people in Mysidia! =D

Amen Brah!!!