2nd Job Predictions

[Bluevann]

P.S. So I just wanted to clarify here; in theory all classes will obviously get a 2nd job. These jobs would need to have a few rules.
1. Run on a different primary stat.
2. Probably Have a different roll in a party.
3. Apparently they will bend over backwards to doing strange things like making a tank class into a DPS job; so normal class rolls, as well as job roles, do not count for much of anything.

4. Use the same weapon as their twin job and root class.
5. Have a use for all of their root class's skills.

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Personally my only one bet right now is Red Mage springing from Gladiator. Sword, shield, and access to MP-based abilities. It would wear lighter armor than PLD, but have access to more magic abilities in return. I could see it be a multi-tasking support class or a debuffing class, depending on what its five job abilities will be.

[Xandim]

4. Use the same weapon as their twin job and root class.
5. Have a use for all of their root class's skills.

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Personally my only one bet right now is Red Mage springing from Gladiator. Sword, shield, and access to MP-based abilities. It would wear lighter armor than PLD, but have access to more magic abilities in return. I could see it be a multi-tasking support class or a debuffing class, depending on what its five job abilities will be.

I was wondering on that..... Even tho SCH and SMN technically use the same weapon, books, when you equip a SCH book it automatically changes you to SCH, so Yoshi could make say... 2h sword usable only by DRK, and whenever you equip it, you automatically become DRK (after unlocking it obviously).

[juntaru]

What I'd like to see :

GLA -> Dark Knight, DPS.
Could have an ability to erase enmity and use it to deal more damage (meaning, the higher you are on enmity list, the more damage you do... would make use of those enmity + skills from GLA...) along those "use hp to deal damage" stuff.

LNC -> Templar, Tank.
With some magic to debuff target, and negates the damage it does, instead of reducing the damage taken, making it an interesitng tanks against bosses who likes to AoE a lot.

PGL -> Dancer, Healer.
Adding various stands (or steps) to give some effects on its existing weapon skills, like "heals the two party members with the lowest hp percentage" or "heal party member with the highest enmity toward target"...

ARC -> Beastmaster, DPS.
Getting a pet to have some variety on attacks, and buffs to make it usefull. Maybe add some traps-skill with aoe effects. Not too sure about this one though...

THM -> Oracle, Healer.
Using the umbral ice and fire in a totally new way, making so that on ice, you can target ally, and on fire you can target foe. Getting rid of the mana regen, and getting some skill to help switch from one to another, for example. (Get ready for my healing fire 3 ! )

CNJ -> Geomancer, DPS.
Well, this would be the most obvious one for me if CNJ gets a DPS job. I don't have any idea on how it would work, but it could be a classic caster, with more elemental spells, and debuffs to lower target resistance to specific element.


As for the future class, it's hard to make a guess without seeing the base class skills...

[Tam_Hawkins]

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LNC -> Templar, Tank.
With some magic to debuff target, and negates the damage it does, instead of reducing the damage taken, making it an interesitng tanks against bosses who likes to AoE a lot.

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That would not really work, atleast in 8man runs. They would simply use war or pld as MAin tank and reduce templar as a debuffer.

[juntaru]

Ahh... well those spells could be used only if the Templar has some sort of stack, gained from sustaining a set amount of damage ?
Well those were just ideas you know

[Bloodclaw]

4. Use the same weapon as their twin job and root class.

Nope, the game is more than capable with doing other than that as is; such as making the entire new line of weapons job specific. Not to mention as discussed in earlier posts, that classes were going to get new weapons that could be used.

5. Have a use for all of their root class's skills.

Maybe not, maybe we will get replacement abilities for ones that don't fit. With programing about anything is possible, and Yoshi-P has said as much. We could be seeing a great sword or twin blades for gladiator and those shield abilities have to go somewhere.

So these cannot be added, read rule #3.

[Bluevann]

Nope.

A lot of people react like that when I expose my theory, it's almost as if they fear that if I'm right, DRK will never see the light. I am by no means a DRK-basher, I just think that my idea is backed up by currently 9 out of 9 existing jobs in the game, and that as far as the game works, I could see it more probably for a whole Great Sword-based class with its own DRK job to come out, rather than DRK coming from PLD.

People think DRK should come from Gladiator because Paladin does, and DRK and PLD are known opposite faces of the same medal, but then I say, why was not the same done for WHM and BLM? They too are alter egos of each other, yet they do not come from the same class. The principle is the same.

Yoshi P in an interview made an example of how class classes morph could change from job to job by using DRK coming from Gladiator, that is true, but he also made sure to stress that his was a mere example, and until I see an official announcement, that is what the Gladiator > DRK theory will be to me. An example. RDM has as many chances to come from Gladiator than DRK does, and maybe less excuses not to. Nine of the current jobs lead me to believe in the theory I exposed, and I'm the type to go by statistics.

tl;dr: Don't bash others opinions just because they are different than your own. Keep the topic constructive. "Nope" is not an answer when it comes to theorizing.

[Bloodclaw]

A lot of people react like that when I expose my theory, it's almost as if they fear that if I'm right, DRK will never see the light. I am by no means a DRK-basher, I just think that my idea is backed up by currently 9 out of 9 existing jobs in the game, and that as far as the game works, I could see it more probably for a whole Great Sword-based class with its own DRK job to come out, rather than DRK coming from PLD.

People think DRK should come from Gladiator because Paladin does, and DRK and PLD are known opposite faces of the same medal, but then I say, why was not the same done for WHM and BLM? They too are alter egos of each other, yet they do not come from the same class. The principle is the same.

Yoshi P in an interview made an example of how class classes morph could change from job to job by using DRK coming from Gladiator, that is true, but he also made sure to stress that his was a mere example, and until I see an official announcement, that is what the Gladiator > DRK theory will be to me. An example. RDM has as many chances to come from Gladiator than DRK does, and maybe less excuses not to. Nine of the current jobs lead me to believe in the theory I exposed, and I'm the type to go by statistics.

tl;dr: Don't bash others opinions just because they are different than your own. Keep the topic constructive. "Nope" is not an answer when it comes to theorizing.

You know, you are taking my disagreement WAY too sensitively. I am having a discussion with you, and if you can't address my comments with out falling behind the wall that I am "bashing" your theory, then maybe chatting online isn't for you. Maybe you should make a blog with the replay option turned off?

[Bluevann]

You know, you are taking my disagreement WAY too sensitively. I am having a discussion with you, and if you can't address my comments with out falling behind the wall that I am "bashing" your theory, then maybe chatting online isn't for you. Maybe you should make a blog with the replay option turned off?

It's your outright denial that I may have a point that was off to me. I am not angry or anything, just saying that your answers are a little tunnel-visioned. Other answers you have given to other players sound like that as well. I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested anything stupid or too crazy to be an eventuality, and your "nope" or "sorry, not gonna happen" replies may be what brought this thread to the point of needing a bump.

With all that being said, I apologize for distressing you, I saw something wrong in your reply and wanted to make sure it would go noticed.

[Bloodclaw]

It's your outright denial that I may have a point that was off to me. I am not angry or anything, just saying that your answers are a little tunnel-visioned. Other answers you have given to other players sound like that as well. I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested anything stupid or too crazy to be an eventuality, and your "nope" or "sorry, not gonna happen" replies may be what brought this thread to the point of needing a bump.

With all that being said, I apologize for distressing you, I saw something wrong in your reply and wanted to make sure it would go noticed.

The way you presented it was as a purposed extension of my already existing rules, I just happen to think, both opinion and from info remembered, that they are not applicable. As I said before, in 1.0 there were plans on adding new weapons to classes, which I guess would be used for different jobs; also there is the fact that they can job lock a weapon (if they don't want to do the prior), the same way they do with summoner/scholar books. Now as noted in another thread, there was a vote on which type of job would be the 9th to be added and the end result was the summoner or scholar (I personally think it was the scholar) , so I would chock up the same visual appearance of main hand weapon and animations used to the lack of production time in making it.
Thanks for your thoughts though.