How to fix Castrum and Praetorium

[Cigaran]

Or you know, SE could just remove them from the Roulette. They'd still be there to queue for those of us who are actually interesting in helping new players while the Ritalin addicted, speed run tools can find something else to ruin for everyone else.

[ZeroRains]

I know every class can't do this, but I figured this was worth a good chuckle.

When I finally got to Prea, I was psyched! The end of ARR 1.0 Story was within sight! Upon joining, everyone was super nice, until I decided I wanted to watch the cut scenes. I was a tank, and was constantly harassed to skip them. It was the end of my journey, and I felt it unfair I had to give up the most important part of the story just so a few players could get their tomes faster. I even tried explaining to them they could start the fight if they wished, I just really wanted to enjoy the story. Around the elevator boss, I was then kicked mid cut scene, with the "see you, next time watch it in a INN, taking forever" from party chat.

So, granted I was very annoyed, and took me out of that epic feeling.
I wasn't one for giving up so easy though. I qued Duty in Progress, joined right back in to the same group, and proceeded to watch every cut scene until the very end. Lets just say the few who were harassing me lost their mind >;p

[Akujin]

Or just have a lockout on bosses until everyone finishes their cutscene, the same as when zoning into a dungeon. Fixes everything

I actually rather like that idea. I suppose I'm one of the few who just don't care anymore of newbies want to watch their cutscenes. I didn't watch them, at the time, because I felt pressured by people who were running it with me. I didn't want to be 'that guy', now, I truly don't care if I get locked out because people want to bully their way through it for a couple minutes faster. At this point, with ilvl of gear and the fact that the dungeons aren't remotely difficult anyways (in ilvl50 gear certainly difficult), it's not as if me being left out is going to hinder anything due to a slow ps3 load. But my situation is different, the load times just plain suck. But for someone who is experiencing the story for the first time and DF is the only method that they can get a party going for it, trying to 'force' them to push through it so that everyone else can rush their roulettes is absurd. So again, I like your idea, keeping the boss rooms locked out until everyone is out of the cutscene sequence.

[Akujin]

Or you know, SE could just remove them from the Roulette. They'd still be there to queue for those of us who are actually interesting in helping new players while the Ritalin addicted, speed run tools can find something else to ruin for everyone else.

Let's be realistic. How many people are going to just queue up randomly for Prae and Castrum out of the goodness of their little hearts for the off chance that someone needs the run for story completion without some sort of incentive?

Honestly, with the amount of tomes you get out of it, I haven't bothered with either of those two for weeks, simply because Brayflox is just ridiculously easier and faster. A fraction of the time for the same amount of tomes. They screwed the pooch on both of those dungeons already with lowering the potential Myth reward in 2.2.

[Alukah]

I don't wait for cutscenes, the cutscenes of both dungeons can add up over an hour to both runs, praetorium alone is around 40~50 mins, I'm not willing to wait over an hour every day to watch the same cutscenes over and over just because someone doesn't want to use the tools available to "fix" this issue (PF and INN).

However, I never demand to skip cutscenes or threaten people to kick them, I run the dungeon without the people watching cutscenes, as both of them can be completed before people finish watching all of them. If someone verbally abuses you or kicks you for not skipping cutscene that is clear harassment and should be reported, don't stay silent, these people will not stop doing this unless they are reported.

[wicked-one]

Or just have a lockout on bosses until everyone finishes their cutscene, the same as when zoning into a dungeon. Fixes everything

This is just a fixed way to put oil into the fire...

What do you think a hasty elite is going to do when he cant fight the boss and HAS to wait - complaining, flaming, insulting, ....

It´s really difficult: you WANT those high geared to help in story mode, to reduce queue times, but they don´t want to stay there to long, so that´s where the rat bites its tail...

Why spending 30 Minutes+ in a fast run w/o Cuts with CM/PRE, if you can do the same amount of mythos in 2 BrayHM runs (15 Minutes)...

When you are off Roulette, it´s even only 20 Mytho´s... no point in doing that.

CM/PRE was attractive to endgamers when a roulette run made you 300 of Philos... now there is just no point,

so i don´t know why endgamers even go roulette there, harassing newbies, while no real benefit of doing it.

[blowfin]

M/PRE was attractive to endgamers when a roulette run made you 300 of Philos... now there is just no point,

so i don´t know why endgamers even go roulette there, harassing newbies, while no real benefit of doing it.

It's 100 tomes in Roulette in 20-25 minutes. That's why people go. Personally I don't want to do Brayflox SR (I do Maps, Dailies, Roulette, T4) so story roulette is a good way to break up the myth grind. It's nice knowing that you've helped new players when you come across them too. Having said that I've got no problem with people watching cutscenes, but occasionally, just because the general pace of roulette is quite high, people do get left behind.

[TomTom1968]

There is zero need for incentives and adjustments. If sby says "i am new", just be nice and allow him to be slow and to watch the cutscenes. Remember how the 1st run was for you and don't make Roulette DF your private speed run. Problem solved.

[Rynia]

I do find it funny that people suggest newbies use the PF to get parties for story content when the game itself tells them to use DF.
Hell, I didn't know about the PF until long after I'd finished the story quests >>

I don't think there really is a fix for this problem - you can't fix people, and people are the root cause of this issue.

[wicked-one]

Having said that I've got no problem with people watching cutscenes, but occasionally, just because the general pace of roulette is quite high, people do get left behind.

You and me are quite rare, it bleeds my heart every time, cause i also dont want to force someone through...

But the most folks in duty roulette roll through like tanks... railing down everything in their way ^^

100 tomes in 20 Minutes, but only as speedrunner...

There is zero need for incentives and adjustments. If sby says "i am new", just be nice and allow him to be slow and to watch the cutscenes. Remember how the 1st run was for you and don't make Roulette DF your private speed run. Problem solved.

You live with the carebears, aren´t you? ^^

I don't think there really is a fix for this problem - you can't fix people, and people are the root cause of this issue.

ACK, thx, everything said...