Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
Yeah, even when it was simply a physics CD it sucked because the only reason it made you immune was because it bound you in place. PLD basically got all of the functionality that Holmgang is supposed to provide (then and now) separated into multiple abilities each of which is stronger than the function bound to Holmgang (6 secs of can't die compared to HG; self-bind compared to Tempered Will; bind/pull utility compared to silence/stunlock/cover). The relative weakness doesn't bother me so much as the fact that they're all tied up in a single ability; it would be like having to activate HG, Cover, and Tempered Will at the same time any time you wanted to use one of those functions.
What about Tempered Will as a cross-class skill for Warrior? Remove the binding effect from Holmgang and just have the can't die function.