RMTs killed Tell chat channel

[Docj]

Instance dungeons killed /tell channel XP

Honestly been playing since launch and I don't get what the big deal is... I get 3 /tells top a day max, i just blocklist them and move along... Not saying it should stay but I won't disable /tell for it... I'd like to think that SE do their best to remove RMT, but the RMT is too "powerful"... But who knows... Maybe they need to try harder...

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Mei

The last thing people need is RMT spam distracting them while in a duty. Why do people need to /t others while in a DUTY anyway? You can communicate with friends from DUTY through both linkshells and FC chat; /t is redundant. We definitely do not want /t in dungeons.

One person's experience doesn't constitute the experience of others. To think it does is a little ignorant. I guess it depends on how much time you spend in-game. How much time you spend in instances. The time of day you play. Which server you play on. Etc.

I play a lot and spend most of my time crafting/gathering/hangin out. Some days the RMT /t come in once every few minutes. I gave up blacklisting the day I took time to clear 20 players from the list only to run out of space to add more the very same session.

[mbncd]

If you go to System Menu -> Support Desk -> Frequently Asked Questions (near the bottom of the first page) -> Reporting RMT Advertisements -> Ask a Question, then copy and paste the chat log with time stamp and mention the world name, SE will get back to you quite quickly saying you can un-black list that person now, indicating that that character has already been dealt with. Yes, it takes a few seconds to navigate through that menu, to copy the message and to state the world name but if it stops that character from bugging 200 other people every 2 minutes, that seems like a good thing.

Of course, it would be better to have an auto reporting feature but a lot of people don't even use the tools we already have. It's easier to complain for 10 minutes than to take those few seconds to report them.

"But they'll just replace that character straight away!" Yes, they probably will. But it will be a hassle, it will use up another account (of which they probably have thousands, I know), it will take a minute (that they would otherwise spend pestering other people) and it will chip away at them and their business ever so slightly.

"That's like trying to chip away at a mountain with a toothpick!" I know, it seems pointless to do it alone, but imagine if everyone did it? Imagine a game in which every person who recieved an RMT /tell or saw an RMT shout reported it instead of just blacklisting them and moving on? Imagine if everyone took responsibility for the sort of game world they wanted to play in? Suddenly these shouts and tells would become the capital offences they always should have been, instead of just being ignored and hoping they'd bug someone else instead. We COULD move that mountain ourselves, with our own efforts.

We could be the change we wanted to see. We SHOULD be the change we want to see.

We have the tools, we obviously have the passion (it's easier and faster than these honestly pointless whinging posts about things not changing when we don't try to change them), it doesn't require filling out a long form (about what zone we're in and what character we're on, etc) like we used to have to.

Empty your black lists and then tackle each RMT and remove them again once they're gone. If you're unlucky, you may have reason to keep 5 real jerks on there but no one should be at the 200 full mark if they report correctly. I've been doing this for a while and every night I have an empty list again, just as it should be.

But not many seem interested in helping. The common advice both in game and on forums is "black list them and ignore them, there's nothing we can do." Bull. That's laziness and making people feel weak and ineffectual instead of teaching them how to fight for what they want. It's the mindset that allows so many RMT'ers to go unreported. "Someone else will probably report them." Where do people come up with these things..?

Fight and get everyone else to fight too and this game will become more trouble than it's worth!

I know I've converted at least one person in my FC to help in the reporting efforts today. I'll keep preaching the value of changing things rather than ignoring them. Maybe it'll just be 10 of us with our tooth picks and that big mountain but it'll be a start. Maybe others will see us, will listen to us, will join us. What do we have to lose?

Long journeys and first steps and all that jazz. It's important.

[PixelPirate]

Agreed, the /tell and alt+R functions are completely sub-par. Square Enix need to take a look at this and fix it. The RMT problem is getting worse than ever. For example, if you look closely at the shard and materia markets on almost any server, you'll see the direct effects of RMT activity. If Square Enix can't effectively deal with the /tell problems, where does that leave us with the gil farming and market manipulation?

[necrosis]

Ridiculous premise. RMT didn't kill the tell channel. Players did by just removing the channel and ignoring it instead of blacklisting people. I get 1-2 tells from RMT a week max. If I were ignoring the tell channel at this point it is on me and not them.

Good for you. But some of us see 5 or more a day. Hell lately I get at least 1 before the game fully loads. Also blacklisting does nothing for the problem. Only reporting them does.

[Rbstr]

What do people do that gets them a billion RMT tells?

5 a day is a minor inconvenience at worst....

[Rizon]

Does anyone know if SE is banning the buyers? Until this actually happens all your suggestions will have little effect on the problem. Most of these sites can afford to purchase new digital DLs and the prepaid cards to pay for them. The average player cannot. If SE broadcast loud and clear the number of buyers banned people will think twice about buying Gil and if the market dries to the point on non profitability then these sites will go elsewhere.

[Amnesia]

So why can't SE automatically removed deleted or banned players from people's blacklists? All the information is on their servers---seems like an easy thing to do...

[Sadana]

If you go to System Menu -> Support Desk -> Frequently Asked Questions (near the bottom of the first page) -> Reporting RMT Advertisements -> Ask a Question, then copy and paste the chat log with time stamp and mention the world name, SE will get back to you quite quickly saying you can un-black list that person now, indicating that that character has already been dealt with. Yes, it takes a few seconds to navigate through that menu, to copy the message and to state the world name but if it stops that character from bugging 200 other people every 2 minutes, that seems like a good thing.

I have yet to figure out how to copy and paste in the game with ps3/4. Pulling up the reporting menu covers the chat box so I don't see the character's garbled name anymore (and it may have scrolled past with other chats/info rolling by.)(Thank you, any RMT using a name such as Sdfa sdfa.) Making the chat box large gets rid of the reporting menu. Suggestions?

I get frustrated too when I'm in a tell convo with a friend and "receive" a tell from a RMT already on my blist. I like the convenience of /r instead of arrowing up to my friends name and clicking on it to send a tell, but I keep getting error "can't send tell, that person is on your blacklist."

[Doo]

Actually, the last F2P game I played(SWTOR) had a much better spam blocking system. lol.

That's true. DCUO had zero rmt spams and Neverwinter was just mainly shouts in the main hub. The spam in this game makes me want to punch babies.

What do people do that gets them a billion RMT tells?

Maybe you hang out in instances or your server doesn't buy as much gil.

[mbncd]

I have yet to figure out how to copy and paste in the game with ps3/4. Pulling up the reporting menu covers the chat box so I don't see the character's garbled name anymore (and it may have scrolled past with other chats/info rolling by.)(Thank you, any RMT using a name such as Sdfa sdfa.) Making the chat box large gets rid of the reporting menu. Suggestions?

I get frustrated too when I'm in a tell convo with a friend and "receive" a tell from a RMT already on my blist. I like the convenience of /r instead of arrowing up to my friends name and clicking on it to send a tell, but I keep getting error "can't send tell, that person is on your blacklist."

I'm afraid the controller scheme confuses the heck outta me...

You could however keep a pen and paper handy and just write down the names and times (and world if you're likely to forget that) so you can refer back to that when making your report. I try to keep pens and paper handy anywhere that I spend a lot of time, even next to the computer where I usually prefer a simple note pad document. The old tools are often overlooked or under appreciated but they're still quite useful ^_^