ilvl Requirement "The Broken System"

[Alistaire]

Agreed. FFXI was great no ilvl you knew what was better for your character or at least I would have hoped you did. If they want to implement anything a weekly skill test to test compliance level.

They did implement ilvl in gear eventually. Just not an average that could be used as a benchmark for participating in content.

As an afterthought to the previous thread, a weighting system wouldn't be that hard to figure out. Just add up all the 375's, 495's and 825's going by myth/soldiery gear and make each piece a portion according to that.

[Kagoma]

They did implement ilvl in gear eventually. Just not an average that could be used as a benchmark for participating in content.

As an afterthought to the previous thread, a weighting system wouldn't be that hard to figure out. Just add up all the 375's, 495's and 825's going by myth/soldiery gear and make each piece a portion according to that.

Exactly not all gear was created equally, so why should the points be. The other things that bothers be is the new relic just turning in the atma should not make it ilvl 100. It should stay at 90 and then go to 95 when you get your first book done then jump up to 100 after you get all your books done.

[ispano]

Exactly not all gear was created equally, so why should the points be. The other things that bothers be is the new relic just turning in the atma should not make it ilvl 100. It should stay at 90 and then go to 95 when you get your first book done then jump up to 100 after you get all your books done.

Because item level is not the effective level of the item based on stats. Item level is the thing that determines how much of ANY stat can be on the item. It determines the max quantity of stats, not the other way around. That's why Atma is 100, since the stats will rise as you do the books from what i90 can hold to what i100 can hold.

[Kagoma]

Because item level is not the effective level of the item based on stats. Item level is the thing that determines how much of ANY stat can be on the item. It determines the max quantity of stats, not the other way around. That's why Atma is 100, since the stats will rise as you do the books from what i90 can hold to what i100 can hold.

Using that logic all crafted gear needs to be bumped up 10 ilvl's because it can be melded. ilvl 70 would be come ilvl 80 and ilvl 90 would become ilvl 100

[ispano]

Using that logic all crafted gear needs to be bumped up 10 ilvl's because it can be melded. ilvl 70 would be come ilvl 80 and ilvl 90 would become ilvl 100

Incorrect. All crafted gear has a cap for every stat that is based on the ilvl. That's why you can only meld a little, say Determination on a piece with it already on it, or none if it's already capped in the case of some HQ items. Also why you can meld a bunch of determination if the item has none to begin with.

[Kagoma]

Incorrect. All crafted gear has a cap for every stat that is based on the ilvl. That's why you can only meld a little, say Determination on a piece with it already on it, or none if it's already capped in the case of some HQ items. Also why you can meld a bunch of determination if the item has none to begin with.

There is truth to what you say that the main stats on the items are capped, However take the ilvl 90 crafted healing gloves 18 Vit 18 Mnd 11 Det 21 Crit.
Now we meld on 4 more det, 12 Pie, and 18 SpS. We now have 18 Vit 18 Mnd 15 Det 21 Crit 12 Pie 18 SpS lets compare them to the ilvl 100/110 gear.

Crafted Soldery Soldery + 1
ilvl 90 ilvl 100 ilvl 110
18 Vit 22 Vit 25 Vit
18 Mnd 21 Mnd 24 Mnd
15 Det 11 Det 12 Det
21 Crit
12 Pie
18 SpS 23 SpS 25 SpS
5 Acc 5 Acc

Looking at this I see a Gain in 4 Vit 3 Mnd 5 SpS 5 Acc, But a loss in 4 Det 21 Crit and 18 Pie just between the ilvl 90 crafted and ilvl 100 Soldery.

[ispano]

There is truth to what you say that the main stats on the items are capped, However take the ilvl 90 crafted healing gloves 18 Vit 18 Mnd 11 Det 21 Crit.
Now we meld on 4 more det, 12 Pie, and 18 SpS. We now have 18 Vit 18 Mnd 15 Det 21 Crit 12 Pie 18 SpS lets compare them to the ilvl 100/110 gear.

Crafted Soldery Soldery + 1
ilvl 90 ilvl 100 ilvl 110
18 Vit 22 Vit 25 Vit
18 Mnd 21 Mnd 24 Mnd
15 Det 11 Det 12 Det
21 Crit
12 Pie
18 SpS 23 SpS 25 SpS
5 Acc 5 Acc

Looking at this I see a Gain in 4 Vit 3 Mnd 5 SpS 5 Acc, But a loss in 4 Det 21 Crit and 18 Pie just between the ilvl 90 crafted and ilvl 100 Soldery.

And that's what you're missing, 3 Mind may not seem like much when you look at straight numbers, but it has a much bigger impact than any secondary stat. It really also depends on what class or job you compare for as to whether or not the melded will even be good or not.