Let's talk about PvP

[Demacia]

Eh, I give up. This community is about as optimistic as this game's future. As if having PvP would instantly ruin the PvE aspect. Because no multiplayer game has ever had both good PvE and PvP right? Logic and reason goes right out the window when the topic of PvP is brought up around the FF community.

[Eekiki]

Please don't get angry because we disagree with each other, Demacia.

[Jennestia]

PvP does ruin the PvE aspect -- If the PvP becomes a decent way to progress in any form guess what people will want to do mostly? It happens in every MMO that has a good PvP system.

I prefer no PvP but if it has to be implemented, a PvP system like Ballista; As in something completely optional and out of the way.

Because no multiplayer game has ever had both good PvE and PvP right?

Let's take a look at FPSs real quick:

What do people spend the majority of their time on? The campaign(PvE) or the multiplayer pvp aspect?

If you say campaign you're lying to yourself.

[Demacia]

Please don't get angry because we disagree with each other, Demacia.

It makes no difference to me really. I have games with actual potential to look forward to. I was just hoping people would be a tad more reasonable when considering this game's future. But once more, I do have to consider that I'm not posting in the most reasonable of boards. People here will tell me that Market Wards are better than a UI based AH style market, and then people will tell me that PvP should be completely excluded from an MMO in 2011 "just because".

[Eugenics]

So you don't want pvp in the game becuase people will have something todo?, sounds like a great plan

[Demacia]

PvP does ruin the PvE aspect -- If the PvP becomes a decent way to progress in any form guess what people will want to do mostly? It happens in every MMO that has a good PvP system.

I prefer no PvP but if it has to be implemented, a PvP system like Ballista; As in something completely optional and out of the way.



Let's take a look at FPSs real quick:

What do people spend the majority of their time on? The campaign(PvE) or the multiplayer pvp aspect?

If you say campaign you're lying to yourself.

Right, what will people who play FPS spend the majority of their time on? A campaign, which no matter how long or how well made it is will be 100% cleared eventually, or multiplayer which has infinite replay value?

At least try to come up with a decent argument. We're talking about an MMO here. Even if PvP becomes a decent way to progress, SO WHAT? No fun allowed in XIV? If they can almost get it right in XI why not perfect it in XIV?

[Jennestia]

Right, what will people who play FPS spend the majority of their time on? A campaign, which no matter how long or how well made it is will be 100% cleared eventually, or multiplayer which has infinite replay value?

Actually, well made FPS has a campaign with replay value in order to get "100% completion". Most FPS these days have campaigns that are generally completely optional because their focus is on the Multiplayer. You're just adamant in believing people wouldn't choose PvP over PvE which you know deep down is a lie.

You're the one who hasn't come up with a "decent argument" as to why you believe PvP wouldn't overtake PvE like it does in most MMOs -- especially if PvP is lucrative.

[Arcell]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...336#post209336

All that states is that PvP will be part of end-game, as in after you're all ranked up. It's in the rank up content thread but he kind of went off a bit with the end-game part.

Also structured, consensual PvP is fine by me. It becomes awful when people can gank and grief all they want in PvE areas.

Yes I played Aion, funny thing is so did my current guild leader...one the same server...on the opposite side >.> Needless to say I wasn't really enjoying getting mercilessly slaughtered while trying to actually get to 50. Open world PvP needs to stay out of this game otherwise I'd actually consider leaving lol.

So again I'm all for PvP that is group oriented, optional and adds meaningfully to the game in some manner. They shouldn't add it just for the sake of adding it, give it a reason to be there.

[Verecund]

PvP wouldn't really fit in to this game I think, but... given the fact that the PvE isn't exactly stellar, I don't care at this point.

[Alhanelem]

PvP is perfectly fine and cool with me as long is it is consensual between all involved, or only takes place in special areas that aren't otherwise necessary to visit.