PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Tyrial]

Kinda takes away the luster of earning it.
Maybe people should hack coil just for the glamour.
keep justifying though.

Not exactly sure how you can even relate the two. With PvP win trading there are no game breaking exploits to the way anything is coded. These people just found a way to get matched up together. They're doing nothing different than the FCs who queue as 3 Full Parties for CT so that they don't have to deal with random PUGs. Should they be reported and banned as well? How about the people who queue up for in-progress dungeons only and leave if they don't get one with the desired number of bosses dead?

With the initial Coil exploits (yes, a true exploit) they were taking advantage of a bug in the coding to make Twintania stop doing anything but auto attacks all together. Other people were using a third party program to POS hack above her to avoid being hit by anything. These two instances are in no way even close to comparable.

If you're that hardcore into PVP that people "win trading" is giving you an ulcer then there's nothing stopping you from using these very forums or another avenue of your choice and setting up a group of pre-made parties that you can queue against to have reduced queue times and have legitimate PVP matches, thus letting you rank up faster and get marks at an increased rate.

And before you go grabbing the pitch fork and start accusing me of anything, my achievements are open to view. I don't PVP at all.

[Okazaki]

In 1.0 you had to single craft hole bunch of stuff toget a golden hammer and in 2.0 you could auto-craft 99 of them and watch TV.
About 13 hours later of auto-crafting you got your golden hammer. Keep justifying your point.

And that was also against ToS for using 3rd party programs, and people did get punished, not everybody but it happened

[Logo]

Not exactly sure how you can even relate the two. With PvP win trading there are no game breaking exploits to the way anything is coded. These people just found a way to get matched up together. They're doing nothing different than the FCs who queue as 3 Full Parties for CT so that they don't have to deal with random PUGs. Should they be reported and banned as well? How about the people who queue up for in-progress dungeons only and leave if they don't get one with the desired number of bosses dead?

You do notice you are leaving out the part about throwing matches.
Essentially removing the PVP from the action of gaining PVP levels.
Further breaking a fragile system.
Right?

[Logo]

Do people even realize how many PvP matches you actually need to win in order toget rank40...? (2000-4000 matches)

(snipped nonsensical statements and made up percentages.)

Why must everything be instant?

[Okazaki]

Why must everything be instant?

Exactly this, this is something that is supposed to require an effort.

And how Tyrial said something about comparing this to coil, I recall that coil bug basically making twintania not attack back, that and win trading are very very similar in that respect.

[Tyrial]

You do notice you are leaving out the part about throwing matches.
Essentially removing the PVP from the action of gaining PVP levels.
Further breaking a fragile system.
Right?

I really don't see how "throwing matches" is such a big deal. What's the difference between stacking the deck in your favor and face rolling another under geared/skilled group in a normal match or two groups of friends hopping in queue together and having fun. Should we now dictate what the socially acceptable idea of "fun" is just because it goes against how you feel everyone who does said activity should be doing it? If that's the case then please go and make threads and start complaining about 8-man parties for PVE content that are going in with any group composition other than the "optimal" one and by optimal I'm talking two tanks, two healers and 4 DPS.

I guess I'm not seeing the big deal when a good 75-80% (it's a guess) of the people doing this are strictly doing it for vanity and then you'll never see them in PVP again. Is it shady? Sure. Is it really going to hinder your enjoyment of PVP? More than likely not. Especially given that the small percentage who do stick around to PVP after they rush to Rank 40 are going to be so horrible at it that you're going to be able to roll them regardless of the gear.

And how Tyrial said something about comparing this to coil, I recall that coil bug basically making twintania not attack back, that and win trading are very very similar in that respect.

She did attack back, it was just auto attacks. She didn't use any skills. This was information given directly from Yoshi and his team when they discussed the bug and the bans for people using it.

[Okazaki]

She did attack back, it was just auto attacks. She didn't use any skills. This was information given directly from Yoshi and his team when they discussed the bug and the bans for people using it.

ah yes, essentially eliminating 95% of the purpose of the fight. And changes its differences how exactly? PVP is designed to be a competitive scene for players to Fight each other, it's purpose is not a vanity shopping mall.

You want to vanity the gear? That is totally fine, I couldn't care less, but earn it like the rest of us are trying to. I want to look fancy in my bear suit just as much as the next warrior and no PVP isnt my go to thing on mmos, but I know how to respect the purpose of these match making systems.

People should also know, although many do this for vanity, there are also others who do it just to have a clear advantage in PVP before others. This behaviour is not appreciated in other games and it shouldnt be here aswell.

[Yumi_umi]

Win traders doesn't affect your gameplay in any way. Why what others do in their free time bothers you so much? There is absolutely none people playing PvP, that queues take HOURS to pop

I had a few i100 smns and drgns pvp against me and my random team of pve geared and i70-i90 groups.
Let's just say they wrecked us and anyone who was against them.
Their dps was off the charts lol usually resulting in 1 more digit than the other dps. I used attunement , sacred prism and got melted like as if i was naked and had no gear on.
So yes their wintrading gear affected my game and the other 3 on my team. It wasn't fun and especially wasn't fun to face them a few times in a row. Also depending on time, langauge settings and i think roles & rank u can usually get less than 5 min qeues.
So it sucks when those win traders decides to pvp against other ppl with low gear.

[Yumi_umi]

If yoshi did later on found this as an offence via banning, reseting rank etc. You would see a lot of QQ on the threads as technically 99.9% of ppl running around with i100 pvp gear must have wintraded at some point to have obtained the gear. Only legit piece i think that would be obtained atm would be the feet as it's only r32 i think and the ring.

[Tyrial]

You want to vanity the gear? That is totally fine, I couldn't care less, but earn it like the rest of us are trying to.

If this is the case then should we also report the people forming PF groups to just farm the first room in Darkhold and Aurum Vale for EXP to power level themselves to 50? It's essentially the same thing that you're saying for PVP. That's not how anyone intended the dungeons to be run, yet they're "exploiting" the system to speed up the leveling process. Should they get a ban and/or have their level rolled back and gear stripped? The same could also be said for people who speed run myth farm and leave Brayflox HM after the second boss. Are they any less deserving of an Animus weapon than the guy who did nothing but full dungeon clears?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're wrong with what you're saying, I'm merely playing Devil's Advocate. But the real blame here falls on SE for not seeing that things like this would happen.