Solutions to stop speedrunning

[RyuDragnier]

It's also common policy to ask before attempting to pull off strategies in the dungeon, whether they are burning down the boss and ignoring the adds or speed running instead of grabbing each group 1 by 1. I've looked away from the laptop screen for 5 seconds to pick up something I dropped on the floor just to find that the tank has gone and pulled everything, without even giving a word of warning of the strategy, usually ending with me having to Lustrate multiple times in a row to save them. Those times if the tank had mentioned the strategy, they would have not been in such peril to where I would have to Lustrate spam to save them because I would have expected their actions. You cannot expect everybody to be on their A game if they don't know which strategy people want to use.

[Spoekes]

As long as the gear is sufficient, it is most likely a GOOD thing to expect that players actually want a Speed Run.

If you are that one geared player that forces his chillout mood on others just because you can, please take your own advice and don't use roulette.

And you would be well advised to not talk proud of such prick moves like letting someone die on purpose.. makes you look like a spoiled child that didn't get his lollipop, you know..

For your last story:
i watched you gear you are in all 90s.
You really expect the tank to see you and go like "uum, one grp at a time, bro"??? LOL
And of course it is his fault too that you were not looking at the screen!
And oh lord noes you had to use lustrate and could not just let fairy do all work?
Scandalous!

[sheepysheepy]

Who decided that Speed Running without informing the party was a good thing? Yes I'm a horrible person for letting the tank drops if he tries without asking, I outright admit that. But if you think doing something that requires full attention from the rest of the party without informing them is a good thing, you're not too bright. Besides, if you're in the ROULETTE, meaning RANDOM PLAYERS, you should not expect a speed run to work nor should you expect everybody to be okay with trying it.

who decided it wasnt?


who decided you stun ifrit
who decided you stack for plumes
who decided anything

there-are-no-rules

[RyuDragnier]

I hate speed running man. I'll do it, but I'm tired of every group trying to be a speed run. I'm starting to see it in low level roulette too, people trying to speed run things you can't speed run, like Satasha, Tam-Tara, Haukke Manor, etc. I'm just sick and tired of everybody wanting to speed run, it's been 7 days in a row with people trying to speed run everything, enough of it!

[Fuyuu]

It's also common policy to ask before attempting to pull off strategies in the dungeon, whether they are burning down the boss and ignoring the adds or speed running instead of grabbing each group 1 by 1. I've looked away from the laptop screen for 5 seconds to pick up something I dropped on the floor just to find that the tank has gone and pulled everything, without even giving a word of warning of the strategy, usually ending with me having to Lustrate multiple times in a row to save them. Those times if the tank had mentioned the strategy, they would have not been in such peril to where I would have to Lustrate spam to save them because I would have expected their actions. You cannot expect everybody to be on their A game if they don't know which strategy people want to use.

Why the hell are you whining about that tank in here?! The situation you described has ABSOLUTELY no relation to Speed Running. Yes that dude tried to start with SR, but the problem is not SR. It's clearly a case of communication. And on top of that what is the big deal?!?! You said it yourself, you adapted to the situation and Lustrated the heck out of people!

I'm sure that tank learned something of that death, either bad or good. But that's not something you can control, how people react. And again, no relation to SR itself. People problem!
You are a part of the problem, until you admit it, nothing will be solved.
We all are part of the problem!

[Fuyuu]

I hate speed running man. I'll do it, but I'm tired of every group trying to be a speed run. I'm starting to see it in low level roulette too, people trying to speed run things you can't speed run, like Satasha, Tam-Tara, Haukke Manor, etc. I'm just sick and tired of everybody wanting to speed run, it's been 7 days in a row with people trying to speed run everything, enough of it!

Has said by Spoekes, do not use Roulette or DutyFinder at all until you actually want to play with random people and maybe SR again. Your problem is solved and you didn't have to impose major modification to the game to everyone else.

There's a reason why everyone is doing Speed Run. I like to think that it is because they love to do so. And you actually want to kill that fun for everyone else just because you can't stand doing a speedrun? Seriously...

Let me try to make you understand using hypothetical situation:
Imagine a small country with 2 main language, let's say french and english. Let's pretend that country is surrounded by english countries. Now, in that first country, a small group of people is scared that french language will die. So they start and try to impose laws such as: Radio quota, a minimum % of french music has to be played per day in each radio station. Restaurants menu must be in french, even italian terms that everyone knows. Business titles must contain french words. Every publication must have a french version. Every game box must be in french. Etc etc.

Do you see how selfish that would be? Forcing everyone their ideas, just because they are scared. I'm not saying you are scared, I don't know you. You said you were sick of it, it's just as selfish if you ask me.

[Coth_X]

If I don't feel like doing a SR to save 10 minutes, then I'm not going to do one. If the df/roulette party really needs that, they can vote kick me and wait for a new tank.

I don't care if 99% of the people are doing roulette/df and doing SRs, if I don't have the right to impose a no SR on them, they don't have the right to impose a SR on me.

[blackjackets]

I have to admit that I'm a little wary chiming in with my two cents, but here it is. But first, story time for context:

I was doing DF Praetorium for the very first time, right? I always say "Hi, it's my first time." when I enter a dungeon for my first run -- when I did so in Praetorium, one of the tanks wanted to speed run -- admittedly, he was also incredibly douchey about it, calling me 'rude' for wanting to watch the cutscenes and making the rest of the party wait -- which was unfair to me. I told him no, I don't want to do a speed run, and others backed me up seeing as I was a first timer in the dungeon. Do you want to know what happened?

I was abandoned, caught in cutscenes, and was thusly unable to fight both Nero and Gaius, as they left me behind -- to the point where I was killed by a mob they skipped while trying to catch up with them and sent all the way back to the entrance -- it was sheer luck that I managed to catch up to them before Ultima. Now, I know I could have left, but it had taken me nearly two hours to get into this run and I have limited time to play and I would have had no time to do it again until literally the next week. It ruined the entire experience for me, and I still have yet to get the courage to try it again.

Also -- first time in Halatali HM, I was unable to say my usual 'hi, first timer' message because as soon as the circle disappeared they were halfway down the hall pulling the first group, and I could barely keep up (mind you, I play PS3, so it takes me a long time to type anything out and I cannot keep up with the party AND type at the same time). I get killed twice in the first boss, no one bothers to ask what's going on or explain what to do, they simply kick me out of the party before I can even react.

Another thing -- I am a casual player, and I am legitimately frightened of running BCOB for the first time because of speed runners. I'm BRD 50 and not the best player, not the worst either, but I'm scared of being booted for making one mistake or dying. This doesn't help me any, because it's a game, not a job, and I can't have fun doing something if I'm scared to do it because of speed-runners that won't listen to me.

This is why at least some measures need to be put in place -- I know it's a people problem, and leaving is always an option, but a lot of the time politeness and being up front with what you want or don't want is completely ignored, and that's not to mention first-time MMO players who've never experienced this type of thing before and don't know what to do with a bad group, so here's what I have in mind --

• First, as someone said, put back the One or more party members is new to this duty tag.
• Second, perhaps add Myth tomes to the completion bonus for new member-run duties? It gives people more incentive to stick with the first timer party instead of bailing.
• DO AWAY WITH OR LESSEN THE THIRTY MINUTE TIMER FOR ABANDONING A DUTY. Because yes, sometimes a party is shit and ignores you and you need to abandon, and you shouldn't be punished for that. I know some people abuse the DF, which is why lessening the amount of wait time is also an option.
• Basically, instead of making it harder for people to speed run, either give people an incentive not to or make it easier for the people who don't want to speed run to get out of it

[Nicobo]

If I don't feel like doing a SR to save 10 minutes, then I'm not going to do one. If the df/roulette party really needs that, they can vote kick me and wait for a new tank.

I don't care if 99% of the people are doing roulette/df and doing SRs, if I don't have the right to impose a no SR on them, they don't have the right to impose a SR on me.

Think positive, most players can determine others capable to SR or not. Maybe just because you look good so others will want to SR with you. ^^;

IMO saving 10min is not important in a single run, but everyone max out their performance really exciting and less boring for repeating dungeons.

[infinitezero]

Don't like the idea of stopping speed running. What I would like is people to start communicating what they want instead of assuming one way or the other. Me? I don't care if it's a normal or a speed run, so I'm not going to ask. Especially if I greet everyone and get no response. I'll usually just do double packs. No one, and I mean no one has EVER complained about this unless they were expecting a speed run from a random tank that they can't say word one to until their expectations aren't being met.

Perfect example: Brayflox HM in Roulette last night. Checked the group out while we were waiting for the BLM to render in. Healer was good. DRG was geared okay, had a few sub-70 green pieces... Nothing to complain about, but not someone I'd take on a speed run either. So I do my normal double pull and I get "pull more". Pull the next pack. "Pull more." Oh you mean a speed run pull? Pull to the stream before the boss "Why did you bring them up there?" Wipe. Now that we're back at the start, we have a little chat, and the rest of the run goes very smooth. Moral of the story? Tell the tank if you want anything other than normal pulls. We're not trying to force speed runs on people that don't want them and we're not trying to slow down the people that do.