Solutions to stop speedrunning

[Nicobo]

If I don't feel like doing a SR to save 10 minutes, then I'm not going to do one. If the df/roulette party really needs that, they can vote kick me and wait for a new tank.

I don't care if 99% of the people are doing roulette/df and doing SRs, if I don't have the right to impose a no SR on them, they don't have the right to impose a SR on me.

Think positive, most players can determine others capable to SR or not. Maybe just because you look good so others will want to SR with you. ^^;

IMO saving 10min is not important in a single run, but everyone max out their performance really exciting and less boring for repeating dungeons.

[Coth_X]

Think positive, most players can determine others capable to SR or not. Maybe just because you look good so others will want to SR with you. ^^;

IMO saving 10min is not important in a single run, but everyone max out their performance really exciting and less boring for repeating dungeons.

Well sometimes I don't mind going really quick, but I prefer to be absolutely wipe free and all it takes is one wipe on a SR to more or less invalidate the whole point of doing it.

[Staris]

Well sometimes I don't mind going really quick, but I prefer to be absolutely wipe free and all it takes is one wipe on a SR to more or less invalidate the whole point of doing it.

I doubt that.
Having farmed all the myth for my animus with brayflox first 2 speedruns, I have wiped about twice.
With our runs taking about 4.5 - 5.5 minutes each, I can say it saved me tons and tons time.

[Coth_X]

I doubt that.
Having farmed all the myth for my animus with brayflox first 2 speedruns, I have wiped about twice.
With our runs taking about 4.5 - 5.5 minutes each, I can say it saved me tons and tons time.

On farm, yes total time would be more or less trivially affected.

But if you're going in for one dungeon on something like roulette, any wipe is more time spent.

Hell, just wiping on diablo cause person on door duty was too slow adds a few mins, and i've been in runs where everything was fine until that point and we had 2 wipes before finishing.

My issue is everyone wants to rush rush rush. I don't necessarily want to do AK, or pharos, or fricking tam tara again for the millionth time, but the time saved vs what time could be lost, I'd prefer to just take it easy. That and I have a shoulder problem and extended fast play actually wears it out (._.)

[blackjackets]

I have to admit that I'm a little wary chiming in with my two cents, but here it is. But first, story time for context:

I was doing DF Praetorium for the very first time, right? I always say "Hi, it's my first time." when I enter a dungeon for my first run -- when I did so in Praetorium, one of the tanks wanted to speed run -- admittedly, he was also incredibly douchey about it, calling me 'rude' for wanting to watch the cutscenes and making the rest of the party wait -- which was unfair to me. I told him no, I don't want to do a speed run, and others backed me up seeing as I was a first timer in the dungeon. Do you want to know what happened?

I was abandoned, caught in cutscenes, and was thusly unable to fight both Nero and Gaius, as they left me behind -- to the point where I was killed by a mob they skipped while trying to catch up with them and sent all the way back to the entrance -- it was sheer luck that I managed to catch up to them before Ultima. Now, I know I could have left, but it had taken me nearly two hours to get into this run and I have limited time to play and I would have had no time to do it again until literally the next week. It ruined the entire experience for me, and I still have yet to get the courage to try it again.

Also -- first time in Halatali HM, I was unable to say my usual 'hi, first timer' message because as soon as the circle disappeared they were halfway down the hall pulling the first group, and I could barely keep up (mind you, I play PS3, so it takes me a long time to type anything out and I cannot keep up with the party AND type at the same time). I get killed twice in the first boss, no one bothers to ask what's going on or explain what to do, they simply kick me out of the party before I can even react.

Another thing -- I am a casual player, and I am legitimately frightened of running BCOB for the first time because of speed runners. I'm BRD 50 and not the best player, not the worst either, but I'm scared of being booted for making one mistake or dying. This doesn't help me any, because it's a game, not a job, and I can't have fun doing something if I'm scared to do it because of speed-runners that won't listen to me.

This is why at least some measures need to be put in place -- I know it's a people problem, and leaving is always an option, but a lot of the time politeness and being up front with what you want or don't want is completely ignored, and that's not to mention first-time MMO players who've never experienced this type of thing before and don't know what to do with a bad group, so here's what I have in mind --

• First, as someone said, put back the One or more party members is new to this duty tag.
• Second, perhaps add Myth tomes to the completion bonus for new member-run duties? It gives people more incentive to stick with the first timer party instead of bailing.
• DO AWAY WITH OR LESSEN THE THIRTY MINUTE TIMER FOR ABANDONING A DUTY. Because yes, sometimes a party is shit and ignores you and you need to abandon, and you shouldn't be punished for that. I know some people abuse the DF, which is why lessening the amount of wait time is also an option.
• Basically, instead of making it harder for people to speed run, either give people an incentive not to or make it easier for the people who don't want to speed run to get out of it

[infinitezero]

Don't like the idea of stopping speed running. What I would like is people to start communicating what they want instead of assuming one way or the other. Me? I don't care if it's a normal or a speed run, so I'm not going to ask. Especially if I greet everyone and get no response. I'll usually just do double packs. No one, and I mean no one has EVER complained about this unless they were expecting a speed run from a random tank that they can't say word one to until their expectations aren't being met.

Perfect example: Brayflox HM in Roulette last night. Checked the group out while we were waiting for the BLM to render in. Healer was good. DRG was geared okay, had a few sub-70 green pieces... Nothing to complain about, but not someone I'd take on a speed run either. So I do my normal double pull and I get "pull more". Pull the next pack. "Pull more." Oh you mean a speed run pull? Pull to the stream before the boss "Why did you bring them up there?" Wipe. Now that we're back at the start, we have a little chat, and the rest of the run goes very smooth. Moral of the story? Tell the tank if you want anything other than normal pulls. We're not trying to force speed runs on people that don't want them and we're not trying to slow down the people that do.

[Sapphic]

To be honest the OP reads as saying.

"I do not like Speedruns, I do not want Speedruns SO no-one else should be able to do them."

Makes him worse than the players he calls out who want parties to Speedrun.

[Kret]

To be honest the OP reads as saying.

"I do not like Speedruns, I do not want Speedruns SO no-one else should be able to do them."

Makes him worse than the players he calls out who want parties to Speedrun.

This! Can't agree more

[Jeppo]

When I'm tanking I always ask the healer how many mobs/groups they feel confident with me tanking at any one time. If they're new or if they are not overgeared for the dungeon, I always take it easy with the mobs.

I also look at the overall party composition. If the healer says "pull 4 groups" and I'm with a Summoner and a Monk I'll know that overall AoE damage will be low so I'll probably pull 3 groups.

When I'm a bard I don't mind speedrunning a dungeon as such because they are quite well-equipped to do AoE damage (the occasional free proc + Foe Requiem if paired with a caster). But when I'm a Monk I'm not very good at speedrunning because their AoE is poor. Arm of the Destroyer does pitiful damage for it's high TP (I only ever use it for its Silence effect) so I only use Rockbreaker for AoE every three turns.

[Sapphic]

When I'm tanking I always ask the healer how many mobs/groups they feel confident with me tanking at any one time. If they're new or if they are not overgeared for the dungeon, I always take it easy with the mobs.

I also ask how they want to do it.

More often all I get is silence.