Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Ti_Dus]

I think SE is planning to do something with FATES, possibly making the content more active involving/evolving like Rift which i really liked. It's slightly more involving and fun due to territorial takeover, making open world feel more alive.

BC contents r really bland. The bosses and their moves r so unrelated/disconnected, feels like I'm fighting a script and not monsters. It needs to be like some of the smaller HM dungeons (brayflox hm, halatali hm, or even leviathan, etc). Just make it harder

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[mythicrose]

It'll still take an investment of time farming the EX mode primals, but it'd be a very fun alternative.

Also lucrative.

[SublimeIbanez]

At least with fates for the atma portion, you are out in the open world experiencing variability. The books are a nightmare in contrast. It takes three hours of non-stop farming brayflox with 5 1/2 min runs to get a book and then you get to wait hours for three specific fates to pop up.

With your time that you put up, it will take 24.75 hours of non-stop grinding to obtain 13500 books. I spent 72 hours to get even the atma weapon (2056 fates .58% drop rate). The books are easy and a bit more enjoyable. These you can also see progress with each step that you take towards it, and thus can put a certain amount of time towards it so you can manage it and still see some sort of progression. You most likely got lucky with your atma progression and don't see the harsh effects of RNG.

[Goldhawk]

I don't think it's a matter of fun vs content or fun vs anything actually. I know this is supposed to upgrade multiple times but it's a GOD AWFUL idea to do it the way they are. I don't mind it not being the absolute strongest, but there's at least 2 weapons in this game stronger than animus... let alone the others. But who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to require SO MUCH before atma weapon, then when it comes time to grind out the atma, you spend hundreds of hours collecting these items which other people can get instantly if they're lucky just so you can upgrade the LOOk of your weapon.

That has to be the part that gets me the most. Atma and animus are exactly the same ilvl, but animus has stats of an ilvl 90 weapon but it ilvl 100. Wut. Then you go through hell getting 13.5k myth and it stays the same ilvl and gets a tiny boost in stats.

That's the thing that gets me. All this work for a weapon that is just a collectors item at best.

[Vahlnir]

I think SE is planning to do something with FATES, possibly making the content more active involving/evolving like Rift which i really liked. It's slightly more involving and fun due to territorial takeover, making open world feel more alive.

BC contents r really bland. The bosses and their moves r so unrelated/disconnected, feels like I'm fighting a script and not monsters. It needs to be like some of the smaller HM dungeons (brayflox hm, halatali hm, or even leviathan, etc). Just make it harder

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RIFT's rift system was pure genius. I played it for awhile and they were my favorite part of the game, honestly. If they did indeed make FATEs more like them in some way that'd be all the incentive I'd need to be out and doing them. >_> Regularly at that.

[Deathscythe343]

RIFT's rift system was pure genius. I played it for awhile and they were my favorite part of the game, honestly. If they did indeed make FATEs more like them in some way that'd be all the incentive I'd need to be out and doing them. >_> Regularly at that.

I also played for a bit, and one of the features that I really liked about their rift system was that when a player came upon the rift they were prompted with the option of joining a raid group for the event. After it was over the raid group was dissolved and the people went on their way.

[Vahlnir]

I also played for a bit, and one of the features that I really liked about their rift system was that when a player came upon the rift they were prompted with the option of joining a raid group for the event. After it was over the raid group was dissolved and the people went on their way.

Yeah, I loved that part of it as well. It made the zone events pretty epic. Granted the zones there were probably at least twice as big as some of XIV's bigger areas, but still. The only problem I could see with this in this game is the lag.

[Deathscythe343]

Yeah, I loved that part of it as well. It made the zone events pretty epic. Granted the zones there were probably at least twice as big as some of XIV's bigger areas, but still. The only problem I could see with this in this game is the lag.

True. Although it seems there are less people doing the fates, aside from the atma grind, to really give the zones bad latency.

[Vahlnir]

True. Although it seems there are less people doing the fates, aside from the atma grind, to really give the zones bad latency.

Depending on the time of day I agree, there are certainly less people doing Fates lately. During prime time it seems there are more people out and about though.

[ArcFinix]

You know someone's got a weak point when the only thing they can resort to doing is calling an opposing opinion a "troll". Something that does not benefit you right now but benefits you later still benefits you, unless of course you give up.

Doesn't matter if you have atma or not, it does not change how grindy the book portion is. I also strongly believe a lot of whining people stuck on Atma that are saying "oh the book portion is a lot more fun!" are just simply saying that out of frustration and would most likely have whined about that if the Atma portion never existed and we started at books.

I don't consider myself "lucky", having 14 Atmas myself with over 1400 FATEs completed. The difference between me and you though, is that I actually know what the book portion is like, and you don't. And I've found that farming the 13500 myth to even purchase the books is far more time consuming than farming 12 Atma.




You cannot farm myth quickly by yourself. Assuming perfect circumstances (6-8min bray first two boss runs, a good party is always available to grind with, the runs are perfect and nobody screws up, and minimal time is spent between runs), that's 270 brayflox speedruns at 41 hours assuming each run takes 9 minutes including time spent between runs. Throw in the time spent for the average person waiting on parties and time spent on errors or slow runs and that number goes significantly higher. And if you're a DPS that isn't a Black Mage/Bard? Too bad because most PFs only take those and myth runs take significantly longer without a Black Mage. I'm an i94 BLM capable of making runs take 6 minutes and I still have spent significantly more time farming the Myth than farming Atmas.

One can even argue that the most effective way to farm myth is an even more tedious boring grind because you repeat literally the same thing for hours, while the most effective way to farm Atma has more variety to it.

And don't think the RNG goes away when you get to books either, because you'll end up waiting on FATEs that can take up to 4+ hours to spawn. Some of those FATEs are activated only by talking to NPCs, meaning you have to camp the area they spawn at or you will never see them pop.

But who cares. I can have an opinion backed up by several valid points and be called a troll by whiny forum posters salty about not having Atmas.

Sorry i do not agree with you at all.

First off i have 2 atma done and currently working on my third which stuck at 3/12 for 2 weeks. So there is no difference between how we know about the book portion is like.
I have done 4 books (3 for sword 1 for shield on my PLD) and i find that alot more fun cause it is not all or nothing and it is progressive for everything u done.

I am ilvl 91 blm.. and 89 to 91 for all class (i have farmed T1 to T4 and obtain every single loot, i got all 3x9 primal HM before ex is out, i have all primal ex weapon before 2.2 hit and i have only monk belt caster glove and healer hat lacking from CT as of now).

i clear 24 atma + 3 more at about 2.2k / 3k on that achievement.

Valid point? you have no valid point here. and by calling me whiny forum poster u just did a direct verbal assault. edit edit edti