the new tank mounts

[Traek]

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Eh, I've said before I'd be interested in seeing a mix of things. Making 200 just in specific 8-man is just a grind to most at this point. As said above, most of us career tanks have farmed that content to death for ourselves/others. They really should have just split it up more, say 50 old 8-man, 50 new 8-man 100 dungeons, or something of the sort just for sake of numbers being thrown out.

While it might help slightly on the tanking problem, most career tanks are going to continue tanking either way. That is why they are a career tank. If someone has 200 wins in 8-man content tanking already, I truly doubt they are asked to come as much else. Lol

I can sympathize with what you are saying toward Yoshi-P's words. However, I disagree he doesn't have time to consult his team, or plan out his responses. That is the whole point of his interviews, and pre-selected questions. Not only that, he has constant feedback on the pulse of what his players are feeling/questioning, and is very careful to broach each subject. He knows what he is saying, its his job. You don't give him enough credit if you think otherwise. There isn't much to dissect in what I linked anyways, it is pretty black and white what he said. Whether he meant what was implied is debatable of course, but that is the point entirely. People were disappointed, and that is why this conversation crops up most of the time.

[bokchoykn]

In 2.0, Yoshi-P said Warriors were perfectly fine when they weren't. He obviously knows what he's saying.

To be honest, I don't care much for how things should have been, or what Yoshi-P allegedly promised about the tank mounts. The parameters are set now and we all know what we need to do to get one. Complaining about it is moot.

There are many different complaints about the tank mounts, but one thing I've noticed is that everyone's complaints revolve around "What specifically helps me! Me me me! MEEEEE!"

"I don't run Coil or EX Primals but I want a tank mount. Therefore, tank mounts should be awarded to people who run 4-mans."

"I've already done hundreds of 8-mans on my tank class. Therefore, tank mounts should be rewarded retroactively."

"I'm not a tank but I like bears. Therefore, tank mounts should not be restricted to tanks."

"I h8 n00b tanks. Stop encouraing n00b tanks to pollute my PF to earn their mount. Get rid of the tank mount!"

[Traek]

In 2.0, Yoshi-P said Warriors were perfectly fine when they weren't. He obviously knows what he's saying.

hahahahahahaha ohhh man.. touche there. I think its a different scenario, but as you are saying it is pretty moot either way. I agree with your point overall that Yoshi-P isn't gospel, and is often treated as such, and I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.

There are many, many complaints about the tank mounts, but one thing I've noticed is that everyone's complaints revolve around "What specifically helps me! Me me me! MEEEEE!"

Indeed. That is sort of the point of my suggestion though. It isn't about "me" it is about appeasing the majority. 8-man content grinding isn't what most people are going to want/like doing. You cut some 8-man down, throw in some dungeons, mix new/old, and it seems like less of a grind. Instead of T4 spam for best results, we have a good mix. Grinding content and limiting options is what burns people out most of the time. Even with that same time put into 200 8-mans, if you give variety and achievable goals, people will hardly notice.

[Kitru]

In 2.0, Yoshi-P said Warriors were perfectly fine when they weren't. He obviously knows what he's saying.

And, when the evidence was presented to them that WARs *weren't* balanced with PLDs, he openly admitted it (pretty quickly, in fact, for MMO developers) and fixed tanks asap. For specific mechanical/mathematical constructs where there is a quantifiable truth, I don't expect Yoshi-P to get it right all the time every time. Balance is funky and constantly revised.

Design constructs, on the other hand, like special rewards (e.g. tank/comm/beast mounts, vanity items) and specific content goals (e.g. what dungeons we can expect and which primals we're going to face), I expect him to get right all the time (and he *is* right pretty much all the time). I also think that he's allowed to wax hypothetical in interviews (which he does *a lot*) and change his mind, though I don't think the he is liable to change it a great deal because he has a strong image in his mind of what he wants the game to be.

That's one of the things I like best about Yoshi-P: he admits it when he's wrong and he knows where he wants the game to go but he listens to the players about *how* to get there.

The goal of the tank mounts was to reward people who play tanks. If they could have, they probably would have had some kind of retroactive reward (he pretty much stated as much when he admitted that they never stored that information), but, honestly, having everyone start fresh works better for what the devs want (more people playing tanks *now*) though I doubt it would be a full reward because, if they rewarded past behavior, there wouldn't be a major impetus for the current tanks to be more active since they'd already have the mounts. Because you can't really increase the tank population, all you can do is make the current population more active to increase the effective relative tank population, which is what the achieve accomplishes.

[bokchoykn]

I didn't mean to imply that Yoshi-P is incompetent or doing a bad job. All I'm saying is that he's human and as Traek said, his words shouldn't be treated as gospel. People tend to overthink and overanalyze his words.

having everyone start fresh works better for what the devs want (more people playing tanks *now*) though I doubt it would be a full reward because, if they rewarded past behavior, there wouldn't be a major impetus for the current tanks to be more active since they'd already have the mounts.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the Tank reward. Even if it goes against what Yoshi-P said ("rewarding people currently playing as tanks"), the incentive would not be very good if all the veteran tanks already had their mounts as soon as 2.2 happened.

[Instrumentality]

I didn't mean to imply that Yoshi-P is incompetent or doing a bad job. All I'm saying is that he's human and as Traek said, his words shouldn't be treated as gospel. People tend to overthink and overanalyze his words.


This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the Tank reward. Even if it goes against what Yoshi-P said ("rewarding people currently playing as tanks"), the incentive would not be very good if all the veteran tanks already had their mounts as soon as 2.2 happened.

Speaking of over-analyzing Yoship's words, I'm pretty sure I felt like I had a head start on the tank mount compared to a lot of people (being both a main tank and almost exclusively a tank) over people who might want to roll as tanks post 2.2 in that I've cleared all the content up to that point and was able to quickly find groups to run Coil with to acquire my mount. And it required very little active effort on my part because I was asked to tag along on a ton of guild runs. If I hadn't said no so much I would have had it even earlier.

[ClaraLux]

which somewhat implies that the OP has no right to complain about the mount because he refuses to/can't do coil. It may be overthinking on my part, but some people simply don't enjoy it, and saying "why don't you do the thing you don't like ?" doesn't add anything constructive.


Taking sentences out of context is the first step to misunderstanding the whole thing you know....

My question has more than one possible answer, which is why I asked, and because, like I said, I was curious. It's funny that when I ask a person why they choose to not do coil, I get other people responding for him saying 'some people just don't enjoy it'. Well I wanted to hear his reasoning, not your assumptions. Never said anything that indicated he had no right to complain.

[Muzy]

My question has more than one possible answer, which is why I asked, and because, like I said, I was curious. It's funny that when I ask a person why they choose to not do coil, I get other people responding for him saying 'some people just don't enjoy it'. Well I wanted to hear his reasoning, not your assumptions. Never said anything that indicated he had no right to complain.

Apparently people have been using this.

[Dreamer]

If you don't want to do certain content, you don't get the benefits of that content. This isn't rocket science.

[valho]

Got mine today