the new tank mounts

[sylent09]

Just curious if I'm the only very upset tank about this? Been taking sense my first day in game. Done 300+ 50 level dungeons yet I get a kick in the nuts because it isn't coil? I don't do coil, so I'll never get my mount? Why do level 50 dungeons not count? All my runs in ak and wp and duty roulette don't mean anything? I just found it a little upsetting. Maybe make reward as well doing 400 dungeons that are 50 level or higher I dunno....

[ClaraLux]

Just out of curiosity, why do you refuse to do coil?

[Kuwagami]

Just out of curiosity, why do you refuse to do coil?

Just out of curiosity, why do you do coil ?

People have different reasons to play, and some don't enjoy coil. That's all, really.

[xagarelic]

Just out of curiosity, why do you refuse to do coil?

*jumping up and down and waving hand uncontrollably*

[Kitru]

Why do level 50 dungeons not count?

Because you can farm those ridiculously easily and insanely quickly with barely any effort. The fastest qualifying content for the tank achieve is t4, which takes at least 10 minutes, closer to 15 at the minimum (if you wipe, it'll go up way higher), and can't be completed by people that don't have at least a reasonable foundation in how to tank. The devs didn't want to make it an achieve that people would get as alt-tanks; they wanted to make an achievement to reward people who actually main as tank (and to encourage people to start maining as tank more often).

People have different reasons to play, and some don't enjoy coil. That's all, really.

It's not just coil. EX primals apply as well. If you don't want to do EX primals or coil, you're basically saying that you don't want to do endgame that requires effort. The devs want to reward people for tanking content that actually takes tanks with some degree of skill (which is the content that tends to suffer from a dearth of tanks).

[Traek]

Because you can farm those ridiculously easily and insanely quickly with barely any effort. The fastest qualifying content for the tank achieve is t4, which takes at least 10 minutes, closer to 15 at the minimum (if you wipe, it'll go up way higher), and can't be completed by people that don't have at least a reasonable foundation in how to tank. The devs didn't want to make it an achieve that people would get as alt-tanks; they wanted to make an achievement to reward people who actually main as tank (and to encourage people to start maining as tank more often).

To be fair, T4 can be done faster then any dungeon in game. Not even 10 minutes really. Our FC group was doing it in 6min or under yesterday just farming some gear, and it was just random FC members, not like our raiding group. The 15% buff is pretty ridiculous.. and it will only get easier with future buffs. T4 takes a little coordination but I wouldn't qualify it as 'hard' these days, especially with full i90s being pretty standard.

Perhaps if they had done a system involving both, or one or the other, it would have been better. For instance, 100 8 mans and 200 high level dungeons, or whatever. Every career tank I've known could care less about these mounts because it is just too much effort to be bothered. We continue to tank, and check the bar occasionally for where we stand. Heck, I don't even know what I'm at.. prob like 40/200 for each job, if not less on one or the other. I do want the mount, it just isn't worth it. Especially stretching myself thing playing tank constantly instead of relaxing on a DD/heal, or simply helping out FC members on what is needed.

[Kitru]

To be fair, T4 can be done faster then any dungeon in game. Not even 10 minutes really. Our FC group was doing it in 6min or under yesterday just farming some gear, and it was just random FC members, not like our raiding group.

6 minutes on the inside. I've yet to see any group that doesn't add at least 2-3 minutes between runs, when you add up loading times, breaks, etc., which is where I got the 10 minutes from.

It's also not the same as doing the expert level dungeons. I've done expert dungeons via DF in under 20 minutes, even when there are people that have no idea what they're doing. That is *never* going to happen in a t4 run. You're only every going to see the 10 minute turn over on t4 when you're running with a group of skilled players that know the content and work well together. Expert dungeons involve no organization whatsoever; coil runs actually do require organization, whether it's PF, LS, or FC (or static).

Every career tank I've known could care less about these mounts because it is just too much effort to be bothered.

And I doubt the devs expected any or even a significant minority of tanks to get the mounts. The people that have them now are not the normal tanks, even amongst the "career tanks" (and every single one of them that I've seen is most definitely a "career tank"). We're those crazy bastards that were willing to smash our heads into content time and time again to get it.

As I said before, the devs obviously didn't design the tank achieves with short term acquisition in mind. If you've got 40/200, you're on a pretty decent track since you're liable to have it within a few more months. I bet *that* is the rate the devs expect and most likely want to see. They don't want to encourage people to tank in the short term; they want to encourage people to tank over the long term.

[Kuwagami]

It's not just coil. EX primals apply as well. If you don't want to do EX primals or coil, you're basically saying that you don't want to do endgame that requires effort. The devs want to reward people for tanking content that actually takes tanks with some degree of skill (which is the content that tends to suffer from a dearth of tanks).

Oh sure. That was just not my point. People should just not be forced to do some content just because it's there. Hence the " why do you do coil ?"

[Kitru]

People should just not be forced to do some content just because it's there.

And they're not forcing you to run coil. If you want the bear, you're going to have to run EX Primals and coil, but you don't *have* to have the bear. You don't *have* to get coil gear nor do you *have* to run as a tank. You're not being forced to do anything.

The bear is a reward for tanking endgame raids. You want it. You don't need it. Stop acting like the devs are forcing you to do something that you don't want to do when it's really just you not want to do something that the devs have set as a requirement.

[Kuwagami]

And they're not forcing you to run coil. If you want the bear, you're going to have to run EX Primals and coil, but you don't *have* to have the bear. You don't *have* to get coil gear nor do you *have* to run as a tank. You're not being forced to do anything.

The bear is a reward for tanking endgame raids. You want it. You don't need it. Stop acting like the devs are forcing you to do something that you don't want to do when it's really just you not want to do something that the devs have set as a requirement.

geez... I'm not saying SE is forcing anyone to do coil (even though 2.2 progression-wise is do coil or do coil but whatever. I am fine with that). On a personal scale, I want the bear, but I certainly won't rush it like an idiot just for the sake of having it. It may take 6 month, I don't really care. I was merely reacting to this post :

Just out of curiosity, why do you refuse to do coil?

which somewhat implies that the OP has no right to complain about the mount because he refuses to/can't do coil. It may be overthinking on my part, but some people simply don't enjoy it, and saying "why don't you do the thing you don't like ?" doesn't add anything constructive.


Taking sentences out of context is the first step to misunderstanding the whole thing you know....